Wednesday, September 27, 2006

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Tuesday, September 19, 2006
His Love endures forever Current mood: thankful Category: Life

Once on a retreat I was asked to re-write pslam 136, but to peronsalize it as to how God had blessed my life. I recently felt called to do this agian:


Praise to the Lord, the King of Kings, for His Love endures forever
Praise be to God Most High for his love endures for ever!
Praise to My Lord God, King of the univerese, God's love endures forever!

Who gave me a father and a mother who loved me, for His love endures forever;
Who gave my a large extended family full of love and suppored, his love endures for ever!
Who led my sister to save me from drowning as a babe, for his love endures for ever!
Who spared the life of my oldest brother from being taken when he was young, for his love endures forever!
Who gave me a brother who loves me, for his love endures for ever!
Who has blessed me with another sister in my brother's wife, for His love endures forever!
Who has given me four nephews and three nieces whom I love with all my heart, for his love endures forever!
Who lead me to be born again of water and the spirit with the aide for two amazing God parents, for his love endures forever!
Who gave the faith to my grandparents, to be passed along for generations, for his love endures forever!

Who lead me to come to know him personally at such a young age, his love endures forever!
Who allowed me to be raised in the Church, his love endures forever!
Who gave me a heart capable of love, his love endures forever!
Who never let my family go without food and shelter, even with meager means, his love endures forever!
God's love endures forever!

Who gave me the grace of the sacrament of confirmation through Bishop Nevins, his love endures forever!
Who allowed me to see John Paul the great and placing the call to follow Him on my heart, his love endures forever!
Who placed me under the pastoral Care of men like Fr. Anglim and Fr. Sullivan to foster my vocation by example, his love endures forever!

Who blessed me in High school with friends who have become family, like Joe, Delaina, Chris, Mike, Chris, Pat, Oak, Steve, Tim and Jon, his love endures forever!
Who despite my wanderings, always kept me close to him, his love endures forever!
Who never permitted me to be killed in a car accident, his love endures forever!
Who allowed me to never wander far from him during my turbulent years, his love endures forever!
Who has given my mom the ability to love unconditionally, his love endures forever!
Who allowed me to graduate high school,despite my difficulties God's love endures forever!

Who has given me the grace to repent of past sins, his love endures forever!
Who through my friend, Olivia brought me to my Spring Hill Family with its many members, his love endures forever!
Who placed my brothers Keith and Scott in my life when I needed them most his love endures forever!
Who gave me several sets of parents in the Paff's, the Barniers, the Hitchenson's and others my first time away from home, his love endures forever!
Who blessed me with a spiritual father and brother to guide me in Fr. David Toups, his love endures forever!
Who never let go of me in times of despair and hardship, his love endures forever!

Who placed my friend Josh in my live who has always encouraged me with his faith and zeal, his love endures forever!
Who called me to serve on NET Ministries, his love endures forever!
Who blessed me with Jon, Scott, Kevin, Bob, Laura, Emily, April, Heather,Erin and Danielle who loved me when it hurt, inspired me by devotion, and called me to holiness, his love endures forever!
Who gave my friend Oak a wife who has become a sister to me, his love endures forever!

Who called me to discern my vocation with the Diocese of Helena, his love endures forever!
Who led me safely through Sacred Heart and Carroll, his love endures forever!
Who gave me supportive brothers like, Rob, Leeds, Joe, and Patrick, his love endures forever!
Who blessed me with many good times at Carroll, despite my depression and discomfort, his love endures forever!
Who through formators has challenged me to grow, his love endures forever!

Who allowed me to come back home to Florida, his love endures forever!
Who blessed me with new friends in like Ed, Larry, Adrian, Leslie and Brett who have become part of the family he has given me, his love endures forever!

Who makes the call for priesthood grow stronger in my heart, his love endures forever!
Who makes me accept who I am and see where I need to grow, his love endures forever!
Who has blessed me with a wonderful community with new brothers, new challenges, his love endures forever!
Who if it is his will form me into the priest he wishes me to be, his love endures forever!
Who has plans for me for a future full of hope, his love endures forever!
Who gave me this chance to reflect upon my blessings, his love endures forever!
Who has given me countless blessings that I can but words to, or even recall, his love endures forever!
Who does not call the equipped but equips the called, his love endures forever!
Who's grace hath brought me safe thus far, and who's grace shall lead me home, God's love endures for ever!
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Wednesday, September 06, 2006
Everything I need to know I learned from Our Lady Current mood: complacent Category: Religion and Philosophy
We've all seen the posters, "Everything I need to know I learned from...(kindergarden, my cat, you name it)" Recently while reflectiong upon the ronle of Mary in the scriptures, I felt inspired to write down the impornant lessons that are taught to us by thr Blessed Mother of God:
Always see yourself as a servant of the Lord. (Luke 1:38)
Visit and care for those in need. (Luke 1:39)
Let your whole being rejoyce in the Lord. (Luke 1:46)
Aslways be content to make do with what God gives you. (Luke 2:7)
Always welcome strangers. (Luke 2:16)
Take the time to listen to the elderly. (Luke 2:32)
"Do whatever he tells you." (John 2:5)
Don't be afraid to ask God for help. (John 2:3)
The most blessed thing to do is the will of God. (Luke 11:28)
Always seek after Jesus. (Luke 2:46)
Be flexible with your travel plans. (Matthew 2:14)
Keep Jesus in your heart. (Luke 2:51)
Don't leave when the going gets tough. (John 19:25)
and finaly,
Don't let old dragon breath distract you. (Rev 12:1-3)
Well, maybe I won't be getting a job making posters anytime soon, but I think the message is clear. There is so much to learn from the blessed mother, the first person to encounter Jesus. Let us be like the beloved disciple and take her as our mother. (John 19:27)
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Thursday, August 31, 2006
Seminary Life Category: Life
Well folks its good to be home. That's exactly how I feel for the first time in a long time. This place is definatly home. The other sems are good and holy men who are a pleasure to be around. The faculty and staff is inviting and competant. The liturgy is good. The food is fantastic. The formation looks great. And I'm in Florida!
What more could I ask for.
Well knowing me, alot. But nonetheless, I am quite content.
For those of you who are wondering my days consists of Morning prayer at 7:30 am followed by classes until 12:15 when we have mass. I am pretty free in the afteroons, on thursday eveings we have some meetings, and on friday evenings, I will be assisting in youth ministry at a local parish. As for house jobs, I am a sacristan and will be assisting in preparing for liturgies, we are being shown the ropes tonigh. So I am well and God is Good! His providence never seases to amaze me. When I look back I can see his giding hand through it all, grace has brought me safe thus far, and grace will lead me home!
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Wednesday, August 09, 2006
And so another chapter begins Current mood: indescribable Category: Life
So this is it, I leave tomorrow to formally begin the program of priestly formation for the diocese of Venice In Florida. Earlier this week, I met many of my dioceseian brothers in a grace-filled time of convocation. We had a chance to get to know one another, our vocation director and spend some time in the presence of The Vocation Director, our Lord and savior, Jesus Christ.
This all seems so surreal. The gamut of emotions is so thick and so wide, that it is difficault to find words to express them. Since I graduated high school this is what I had wanted to do. God has blessed me. He has taken time to prepare me, to refine me and to form me. I feel like I have traveled so far already. Yet, this is only the beginning in a sense. A step, a new leg of the journey. I don't think I have ever been so apprehensive in my life. But I am not scared or anxious. In the midst of all the emotions, there is a peace. A real peace that cannot be explained. I see the face of Christ amidst the wind and the rain. I hear his voice, calling me to come to him. I am sitting in the edge of the boat, ready to get out...
If I keep my eyes on Jesus, I can walk on water. I must not be distracted. Be thou my vision oh Lord! Keep me ever close to you. Draw me to your most sacred heart and give me all the gifts I need to do you will. I can do all things through him who gives me strength.
Laudatur Jesu Christi! In aeternum!
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And so another chpater begins Current mood: indescribable Category: Life
So this is it, I leave tomorrow to formally begin the program of priestly formation for the diocese of Venice In Florida. Earlier this week, I met many of my dioceseian brothers in a grace-filled time of convocation. We had a chance to get to know one another, our vocation director and spend some time in the presence of The Vocation Director, our Lord and savior, Jesus Christ.
This all seems so surreal. The gamut of emotions is so thick and so wide, that it is difficault to find words to express them. Since I graduated high school this is what I had wanted to do. God has blessed me. He has taken time to prepare me, to refine me and to form me. I feel like I have traveled so far already. Yet, this is only the beginning in a sense. A step, a new leg of the journey. I don't think I have ever been so apprehensive in my life. But I am not scared or anxious. In the midst of all the emotions, there is a peace. A real peace that cannot be explained. I see the face of Christ amidst the wind and the rain. I hear his voice, calling me to come to him. I am sitting in the edge of the boat, ready to get out...
If I keep my eyes on Jesus, I can walk on water. I must not be distracted. Be thou my vision oh Lord! Keep me ever close to you. Draw me to your most sacred heart and give me all the gifts I need to do you will. I can do all things through him who gives me strength.
Laudatur Jesu Christi! In aeternum!
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Wednesday, August 02, 2006
Summer's End, and an update Category: Life
Well, this certainly has been a busy summer...I havn't even really had time to blog, but here goes for thise who would like insight into the wonderful world of Casey Jones...
The summer began with a wonderful surprize graduation party hosted by my big brother Jim...read all about it, its on the blog. Well... the ironic part is that shortly before the graduation party, which was a surprize...I found out that I hadn't realy graduated as I was laking an intermedate latin course...so, I searchd and found one in the area. I took it and passed.
Shortly after I went to a LifeTeen confernce with my parish youth group hosted by Franciscan U. This sort of served as a pseudo reatreat for me, renewing my love and passion for the Eucharistic Lord. Indeed, I was reminded that this was a sacrament of conversion as I saw people, particularly those whom I went with drawn imenssly to the Eucharistic Lord, The Blessed Trinity, Love incarnate, God almighty shrowded in the apperance of bread. The Eucharistic Lord indeed worked miracles in the hearts of many and is still working in some. I just pray that those who have been called by God will respond to him, the one who rules this world still cries "I will not serve" and in his loneliness, wants to draw people away from the God of mercy and compassion.
Well after I got back from Atlanta, I recived word that the crdit from my summer class had tranfered and recived my diploma from Carroll in the mail. So, I frove down to Boynton beach for an interview last week. Then I went to Disney with some good frineds and had a wonderful time. We had to say good bye to our new frined, Larry who was returning home, as he had just lioved doen here to save money for school for the summer. It was a great time, I hope to have pictures up soon.
And while in Disney, I got the call.....I am now a seminarian for the Diocese of Venice in Florida and will be studing at St. Vincet DePaul Regional Seminary in the fall. So many prayers from the people of God, so much work, praised of Jesus Christ! I am convinced now that God always finds a way, no matter how much I mess up things, grace has brought me safe thus far and grace shall lead me home. Thank you to everyone for your prayers and support. I am truly surrounded by frineds and family who love me, and are not afriad to show it. God bless you all!!!!!! Oh yeah I still have one weekend in town....who wants to party?
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Wednesday, July 05, 2006
The Spirit of Vatican II Current mood: curious Category: Religion and Philosophy
The Spirit of Vatican II?


There was a liturgical dancer named Sue,Who fatally fell on a pew.Expiring, she saidIll come back from the dead,as the spirit of Vatican II.

Liturgical abuse, clericalization of the laity, laitization of the clergy, confusion about the uniqueness of men and women, false ecumenism, moral laxativeity and religious pluralism. These are just a few of the ideologies that have often been coined as moments that have been inspired by The Spirit of Vatican II. What, the spirit of Vatican II may be is a mystery to this writer. Perhaps the Vatican II of whose soul people seem to be so in touch with is a squeal to an obscure film, an Italian sporting event similar to the Super Bowl, or the son of Vatican the First, the ruler of some primal island nation somewhere in the south pacific. Now, some may say that I am being ludicrous, that is, of course obvious that this reference is to the twenty first ecumenical council of the Holy Catholic Church, called by Blessed Pope John XXII to convene at the Vatican in 1962, and closed by Paul VI in 1965. Well, while I understand that this council is often referred to as Vatican II, this is still perplexing to me as none of the ideologies listed at the beginning are contained anywhere in the documents of this council. So, perhaps we can briefly examine some of the misconceptions of the council by, heaven forbid, actually, contextually reading some excerpts from the constitutions of this council.

Now, a common misunderstanding among Catholics is that the councils primary mission was to do away with everything prior to this council, to throw the twenty other councils out the door and start anew, to Sing a New Church into being if you will. Well, the council actually reaffirmed several times that the Catholic Church today is essentially the same Church that Jesus Christ founded 2000 years ago, and this council, as councils always do, affirmed the teachings of previous councils:

This Sacred Council accepts with great devotion this venerable faith of our ancestors regarding this vital fellowship with our brethren who are in heavenly glory or who having died are still being purified; and it proposes again the decrees of the Second Council of Nicaea the Council of Florence and the Council of Trent (Lumen Gentium 51)

Therefore, following in the footsteps of the Council of Trent and of the First Vatican Council, this present council wishes to set forth authentic doctrine on divine revelation and how it is handed on, so that by hearing the message of salvation the whole world may believe, by believing it may hope, and by hoping it may love. (Dei Verbum 1)

The constitutions of the council alone, not even to mention the decrees, contain over twenty references to the council of Trent; fifteen or the first Vatican council; and multiple references to Florence, Nicaea I, II, and II; Constantinople I, II, and II; and the Lateran councils, to name some. Additionally there are countless references to Church Fathers, and Doctors of the Church, most prominent of which is St. Thomas Aquinas. It was not the councils intention to re-write dogma, but rather to re-articulate it.

For those who are still not convinced about the misnomer of the Church doing away with everything old, outdated, or medieval I will also share a brief line from Sacresanctum Concilium, the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy: Particular law remaining in force, the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites. (SCC 36) I have never seen this line used by those who invoke the spirit of Vatican II

Many say that the second Vatican council teaches that all religions are the same. Meaning that there is a universal salvation. These individuals say that other religions are simply paths to God, as all rivers lead to one ocean, all religions to the same God, or perhaps God is like a hub in a wagon wheel and the religions of the world are like spokes leading to God in the center. Pick any sappy, cliché metaphor you like, but you will find none of them in the Second Vatican Council.

This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved (LG 14)

While the council did make a provision of the possibility of salvation those who love out side the visible structure(LG 8) of the Church though no fault of their own(LG 16). The Second Vatican council did indeed proclaim boisterously that Jesus Christ founded the Catholic Church and gifted her exclusively with the fullness of truth. This is demonstrated in the councils explanation of the infallibility of the Church:

This is the one Church of Christ which in the Creed is professed as one, holy, catholic and apostolic, which our Savior, after His Resurrection, commissioned Peter to shepherd, and him and the other apostles to extend and direct with authority, which He erected for all ages as "the pillar and mainstay of the truth". (LG 8)

This Sacred Council, following closely in the footsteps of the First Vatican Council, with that Council teaches and declares that Jesus Christ, the eternal Shepherd, established His holy Church, having sent forth the apostles as He Himself had been sent by the Father and He willed that their successors, namely the bishops, should be shepherds in His Church even to the consummation of the world. And in order that the episcopate itself might be one and undivided, He placed Blessed Peter over the other apostles, and instituted in him a permanent and visible source and foundation of unity of faith and communion And all this teaching about the institution, the perpetuity, the meaning and reason for the sacred primacy of the Roman Pontiff and of his infallible magisterium, this Sacred Council again proposes to be firmly believed by all the faithful. Continuing in that same undertaking, this Council is resolved to declare and proclaim before all men the doctrine concerning bishops, the successors of the apostles, who together with the successor of Peter, the Vicar of Christ, the visible Head of the whole Church, govern the house of the living God. (LG 18)

Therefore, Vatican II did not seek to do away with what was prior nor did this council seek out to change the role of the Church as Christs means for sanctification in the world through her ministers. What the council did was took these various roles and examine what she has always taught and articulated them more clearly.
The Church recognized the mistake in the fact that the teachings of the Church regarding the role of every baptized Christian and the obligation of the laity to participate in the Kingship, Prophesy and even Priesthood of Christ had been underplayed. Consequently the Church reiterated this strongly in the council, however, the Church did not wish to eliminate the ministerial priesthood, or simply reduce to a mere job that anyone could do, or one that all the faithful have a right to. Rather the council still showed that there is an ontological distinction between the clergy and the laity by virtue not only of the office they hold but of the sacraments they have received.

Though they differ from one another in essence and not only in degree, the common priesthood of the faithful and the ministerial or hierarchical priesthood are nonetheless interrelated: each of them in its own special way is a participation in the one priesthood of Christ. The ministerial priest, by the sacred power he enjoys, teaches and rules the priestly people; acting in the person of Christ, he makes present the eucharistic sacrifice, and offers it to God in the name of all the people. But the faithful, in virtue of their royal priesthood, join in the offering of the Eucharist. They likewise exercise that priesthood in receiving the sacraments, in prayer and thanksgiving, in the witness of a holy life, and by self-denial and active charity. (LG 10)

Seeing this passage from Lumen Gentium inspires this writer to Take the gifts that differ and in splendid, varied ways, sing of the Church that Christ founded, one in faith and love and praise. The Church teaches as she always has that we, the laity have a role distinct, but not beneath the ministerial priesthood. We must be coworkers in the vineyard of the Lord. Over the centuries this truth had been lost, so this sacred synod brought this teaching to light, without diminishing the role of the priesthood in our Church.

Another common misunderstanding about the second Vatican council is that Catholics are suddenly able to decide for themselves which catholic teachings and responsibilities that they have to follow. Yes, thats right Cafeteria Catholicism. Yes, I would like some grace and salvation, and some sacraments please, hold the penance Im on a diet. There seems to be no provision for this manner of faith anywhere in the council. Conversely, Gaudium Et Spes, the pastoral constitution on the church in the modern world, a document often championed by those who favor the new Catholicism Lite, specifies the grave jeopardy one who places himself in this situation lends to his immortal soul:

This council exhorts Christians, as citizens of two cities, to strive to discharge their earthly duties conscientiously and in response he Gospel spirit. They are mistaken who, knowing that we have here no abiding city but seek one which is to come, think that they may therefore shirk their earthly responsibilities. For they are forgetting that by the faith itself they are more obliged than ever to measure up to these duties, each according to his proper vocation. Nor, on the contrary, are they any less wide of the mark who think that religion consists in acts of worship alone and in the discharge of certain moral obligations, and who imagine they can plunge themselves into earthly affairs in such a way as to imply that these are altogether divorced from the religious life. This split between the faith which many profess and their daily lives deserves to be counted among the more serious errors of our ageThe Christian who neglects his temporal duties, neglects his duties toward his neighbor and even God, and jeopardizes his eternal salvation. Christians should rather rejoice that, following the example of Christ Who worked as an artisan, they are free to give proper exercise to all their earthly activities and to their humane, domestic, professional, social and technical enterprises by gathering them into one vital synthesis with religious values, under whose supreme direction all things are harmonized unto God's glory. (GS 43)

Further, this document also shows us that teaching what is contrary to the deposit of faith, is a contribution toward social atheism:

Hence believers can have more than a little to do with the birth of atheism. To the extent that they neglect their own training in the faith, or teach erroneous doctrine, or are deficient in their religious, moral or social life, they must be said to conceal rather than reveal the authentic face of God and religion. (GS 19)

Now, among all the misconceptions, distortions, and misunderstandings that surround this glorious council, here is the one that perplexes me the most. If there is someone that can answer this please respond. How is it that one, can claim that the Spirit was so evident in the council, and rightly proclaim the praises of Blessed Pope John XXIII, yet deny that this same spirit guided Paul VI when he wrote Humane Vitae, or John Paul when he wrote Oridnatio Sacredotalis (on priestly ordination). How is the spirit in one over the other when the Council proclaims:

In matters of faith and morals, the bishops speak in the name of Christ and the faithful are to accept their teaching and adhere to it with a religious assent. This religious submission of mind and will must be shown in a special way to the authentic magisterium of the Roman Pontiff, even when he is not speaking ex cathedra; that is, it must be shown in such a way that his supreme magisterium is acknowledged with reverence, the judgments made by him are sincerely adhered to, according to his manifest mind and will. His mind and will in the matter may be known either from the character of the documents, from his frequent repetition of the same doctrine, or from his manner of speaking.

So if disobeying the pope and the bishops is not part of the Spirit of Vatican II, then what, or rather who is the Spirit of Vatican II that is spoken of in conjunction with the items we have been addressing here? It seems then that what is really happening is that groups and individuals have named themselves as the sole interpreters of truth and how it is to be implemented in the Catholic Church. They become exuberant when they hear something that pleases them come from Rome, which is rare, and become discontent content, and protest when its something that challenges them to change, to grow. Some people really need to be less rigid, open their minds and allow them to be challenged. In the Spirit of the Second Vatican Council, I encourage you to be faithful to the Church that Jesus founded, and the Holy Spirit Directs.

Christus, Heri, Hodie, Semper.

Sincerely in the spirit of Vatican II, Nicaea I and II, Constantinople I-IV, Ephesus, Chalcedon, Lateran I-V, Lyons I and II, Vienne, Constance, Florence, Trent, Vatican I and Jerusalem,

I am ,

Your coworker in the Lords Vineyard,

Casey F. Jones.
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Thursday, June 29, 2006
Women Priest: Why not? (Discussion encouraged) Current mood: busy Category: Religion and Philosophy
Some recent conversation has inspired me to post an a old paper (from freshman year) I welcome any response, in fact, it would be cool to have some discussion.
Women Priests: Why Not?

He [Jesus] called his disciples and choose from them twelve whom he named apostles[1] And he took bread and when he had given thanks he broke it and gave it to them, saying, This is my body which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.[2]
In these two passages from Lukes gospel we see Jesus calling his Apostles and ordaining them to celebrate the Eucharistic sacrifice. This is the institution of the priesthood of the new covenant, which holds an unbroken succession from the twelve apostles to the Catholic priests and bishops of the present day. Throughout the history of the Church, men have filled this office of priest. Modern times have posed a challenging question on the nature of the Holy Priesthood in the Catholic Church. That is, Does the Church have the authority to admit women to the sacrament of Holy Orders? In his apostolic letter Ordinatio Sacerdotalis addressed to Catholic bishops in 1994, His Holiness, Pope John Paul II held to the tradition that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful.[3] Yet there are many who contest this letter and openly oppose Church teaching on this matter. Many feel that their questions have not been answered and that the matter should be discussed further.. So, it appears that the question still remains on the minds and hearts of many: Why does the Catholic Church refuse to ordain women? It is the aim of this work to answer this question in light of the scriptural, historical and contemporary teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.
In Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, Pope John Paul II refers to a letter written by Pope Paul VI in response to Anglican Archbishop Coggan at the time when woman were first admitted to priesthood within the Anglican Communion. John Paul II restates the list of reasons given by Paul VI in regard to the Church not ordaining women. The foremost of these reasons is: the example recorded in the Sacred Scriptures of Christ choosing his Apostles only from among men.[4] We see from the example recorded in sacred scripture that the Twelve Apostles were all men.[5]
What is essential to be understood here is that in calling only men as his Apostles, Christ acted in a completely free and sovereign manner.[6] There seems to be much contention here. Those in favor of ordaining women often challenge this with the argument that Jesus was subject to the culture of his time in regards the place of women in society. What has to be clearly understood is that that Jesus was not subject to his culture, in particular with regard to women. Jesus talked to women in public, such as the Samaritan women at the well.[7] This was in a time when one was not even to converse with his wife in public, much less a Samaritan woman.[8] Jesus continually violated the customs of his time concerning the opposite sex: he allowed women to touch him,[9] he violated the uncleanness of a woman with blood flow,[10] he defends a woman caught in adultery[11], and he even accepts women into his company.[12] In fact, it can even be said, Jesus showed no respect for his religious and sociocultural surroundings.[13] Who Jesus is (the Son of God) gives him sovereign authority over even the Mosaic laws.[14] It would be noteworthy for the reader to also know that women priests were not unheard of in Jesus time as written by L. Bouyer:
In point of fact, from the earliest civilizations of the Fertile Crescent through Greece and Rome of the early Christian era, the ancients had always been accustomed to female priests who were not in the least in an inferior position to male priests.[15]

When we look through the gospels it can be clearly seen that Jesus never, not even once, compromised a gospel value for the sake of conforming to the society of his time.
In Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, the Holy Father quotes the second reason listed by Paul VI the constant practice of the Church, which has imitated Christ in choosing only men.[16] The early Church upheld the example of Christ in selecting only men to be priests. The role of women in liturgy is addressed in the Pauline letters. St. Paul tells St. Timothy that women are not to be placed in authority over men,[17] and tells the church of Corinth that women should not even speak within the church.[18] There is evidence of the Apostles intention to only choose men as found in Acts when Matthias is chosen from the male disciples.[19] While we do see women involved in ministry in the early church, such as Lydia, Pricilla and common sense would supose that there are many unnamed women who held mintsterial positions in the early Church, some of whom even had been known to be in charge of domestic communities, there is no evidence whatsoever that these women were ordained and presided over the celebration of the Eucharist.[20] There are some who argue that there is evidence of women in the New Testament that were ordained to at least the order of Deaconate, as the Greek term Deaconess is found in some manuscripts; however, it appears that often this word may have been simply another word for widow.[21]
As we depart in history from the era of the writing of Sacred Scripture and venture into the patristic period of the Church it can be clearly seen that it was the mind set of the Church fathers to continue to reserve priestly ordination for men alone. One of the earliest of such accounts can be found by in Against Heresies by St. Irenaus dating back no later than the year 199.[22] It appears that Irenaus identifies one of the heretical practices of the Gnostics was women presiding at the Eucharist.[23] Speaking of these women he says: Their consciences branded as with a hot iron, some of these women have made a public confession[24] Further, it is said in The Veiling of Virgins written by Tertullian no latter than 213:[25]
It is not permitted for a woman to speak in the church [1 Cor 14:3435], but neither [is it permitted her] . . . to offer, nor to claim to herself a lot in any manly function, not to say sacerdotal office.[26]

Moving to the first Council of Nicea which took place in 325, it is stated in canon 19 of this council:
Similarly, in regard to the deaconesses, as with all who are enrolled in the register, the same procedure is to be observed. We have made mention of the deaconesses, who have been enrolled in this position, although, not having been in any way ordained, they are certainly to be numbered among the laity[27]

Similarly it is said in canon 44 from the Council of Laodicea which took place in the year 343: That women are not to come near the altar.[28]
It can be seen here that while women had an active role in ministry, the church fathers and the early councils of the Church are clear that women never received any sacramental ordination.
With clarity established on the fact that the Tradition of the Catholic Church has never admitted women to Holy Orders, based on the example of Our Lord and the continuance of the practice through apostolic succession, there still may remain the question: If Christ was not subordinate to the cultural and religious customs of his time, why were women not selected as apostles? The answer would be that in the New Covenant there is one priesthood, that of Jesus Christ, the incarnate God, who came into this world as a man; likewise any priest administering the sacraments acts in the very person of Christ, therefore by nature of the ontological distinction between man and woman, only a man can be called to the priesthood.
In the Old covenant, men from the tribe of Levi were appointed to act on behalf of men in relation to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins. [29] Priests offered prayers and sacrifice to God, on behalf of the people. In the new covenant we are told that there is now only one mediator between God and men, Jesus Christ.[30] Christ is the only true priest; others are merely ministers who share in the one priesthood, just as only one sacrifice is present during the celebration of the Eucharist, it is One priest who offers the sacrifice[31].
This role (the ministerial priesthood) is distinct from the universal priesthood shared by all the faithful. The ministerial priesthood is a means by which Christ builds up the faithful.[32] The priest, through the celebration of the sacraments, acts in the very person of Christ. St. Thomas Aquinas tells us: Now Christ is the fountain-head of the entire priesthood: for the priest of the Old Law was a figure of Him; while the priest of the New Law works in His person. [33] St. Thomas is referring to St. Pauls Second Letter to the Corinthians: And to whom you have pardoned any thing, I also. For, what I have pardoned, if I have pardoned any thing, for your sakes have I done it in the person of Christ[34].
A priest acts in the person of Christ by virtue of the ontological change that occurs after ordination. There is a change in the character of his soul. This has to do with why only a man can act in the person of Christ, as there is an ontological as well as a physiological difference between man and woman.
God created MAN as a man and woman as a woman: both equal in dignity, both images of God, both fully human, both fully redeemed yet not identical, both in every smallest cell (far transcending biology), in every expression of spirit and bearing, distinct, though equal in their humanity.[35]

Having noted the distinction between man and woman, it must now be taken into account that, Jesus Christ was a man. And that with God, there are no mistakes within created order and incarnation; therefore the only logical conclusion that can be deduced is that it is only possible for a man to be a priest, given the unique character of Jesus Christ intimately shared in the priest who acts in His person. On this note, it would be no more logical to conclude the non-admittance of women to Holy Orders to be a sexist act than the inability for men to give birth. The only difference being that one is physiological and one is ontological, but none the less, both a part of the created order.
Some may argue that women are better teachers, spiritual directors, or even preachers, but that is simply not the point. It is essential to understand that in being created men and women, there are certain ontological differences between the sexes. It is also essential to understand that this in no way degrades the dignity and value of women. It was a woman who bore the incarnate God into this world,[36] except for John, it was only women who stayed with Jesus as he hung on the Cross,[37] and it was women who were the first to herald his resurrection.[38] It is in the distinction of the sexes that we truly find our own dignity and worth as children of the most high, and members of the Church, which is the bride of Christ.


[1] Luke 6:13 RSV
[2] Luke 22:19 RSV
[3] John Paul II, Ordinatio Sacerdotalis 1994
[4] ibid.
[5] Luke 6:13-16, Matthew 10:2-4, Mark 3:14-19
[6] John Paul II, Mulieris dignitatem 26
[7] John 4:7-8
[8] Manfred Hauke, Women in the Priesthood? (Ignatius Press: San Francisco, 1986), 327
[9] Luke 7:37
[10] Mark 5:24-34
[11] John 8:1
[12] Luke 8:1-3
[13] Manfred Hauke, Women in the Priesthood? (Ignatius Press San Francisco, 1986 ), 328.
[14] Ibid.
[15] Bouyer, Woman in the Church, (San Francisco: Ignatius press: 1979) 12
[16] John Paul II, Ordinatio Sacerdotalis 1994
[17] 1 Timothy 2:12
[18] 1 Corinthians 14:34
[19] Acts 1:21
[20] Hauke, Women in the Priesthood? (Ignatius Press: San Francisco, 1986), 345
[21] Jurgens, The Faith of the Early Fathers Volume 1(Lirurgical Press: Cillegecille, MN, 1970), 180

[22] Ibid. 84
[23] Catholic Answers, Women and the Priesthood [article on-line] (San Diego, CA: 2003); Accessed 20 March 2003. Available from http://www.catholic.com/library/Women_and_the_Priesthood.asp; internet.
[24] Jurgens, The Faith of the Early Fathers Volume 1(Lirurgical Press: Cillegecille, MN, 1970), 84
[25] Ibid. 137
[26] Catholic Answers, Women and the Priesthood [article on-line] (San Diego, CA: 2003); Accessed 20 March 2003. Available from http://www.catholic.com/library/Women_and_the_Priesthood.asp; internet.
[27] Jurgens, The Faith of the Early Fathers Volume 1(Lirurgical Press: Cillegecille, MN, 1970), 286
[28] ibid. 317
[29] CCC 1539 with reference to : Hebrews 5:1;Exodus 29:1-30; Leviticus 8
[30] cf. 1 Timothy 3:5
[31] CCC 1545
[32] ibid. 1546
[33] ST III, 22, iv
[34] 2 Corinthians 2:10 DRB
[35] Moll, Helmut Ed. The Church and Women (Ignatius Press: San Francisco: 1988) 202
[36] Luke 1:28
[37] John 19:22
[38] John 20:18
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Sunday, June 04, 2006
A blessed time Current mood: loved Category: Life
This last week was totally packed for me. Last Thursday, I flew out to Ohio with my buddy Sparky for our buddy Steve's wedding. It was a great time. I came back late Sunday night. That Wednesday, we had family come in from Mississippi to visit, many of whom I had not seen in years, and it was great to see them. I felt bad for not spending much time with them, as I had to drive to Venice for some interviews, then to Naples to register for a summer class. Finally, on Friday, after talking care of some business in Naples I got to spend some time with my family including cousins from Mississippi and my brother and his family. This was great, as I have missed my family so much since being away at school. In the midst of all this chaos, it was wonderful to have a break.
That night I stayed with my out of town family after a late night, failed fishing excursion with my two younger cousins. After this, I drove out early in the morning, someonewhat unrested from a sleep the night before on a couch, to return the truck to my dad for so he could use it for some errands. After this, I tried to do some Latin homework and became frustrated because my family needed some assistance getting ready for a get-together we were having at the beach that afternoon. So, in the midst of trying to get everything ready, get the homework done, get and get myself ready for this get-together (which I never really got to do, I went looking like a bum) I became very irritable and grouchy. Then, I had to ride there in my Dad's truck, with him at the helm, which I was not happy about...at all (his driving puts me on edge) I was a total ass the whole way there... I was tired, sweaty grumpy, nicotine deprived.
Well, when I got out of the truck the first thing I wanted to do was to light up a smoke. When we go to the place of said get together, everybody yelled "Surprise.." I was extremely confused. Well, after explanation I realized that this was a surprise graduation party for me. This was the reason the family had come down, and everyone was there. For me. I was absolutely blown away at the love that was shown to me. My big brother Jim had planned everything he and his wife had even sacrificed backstage passes to see Faith Hill and Tim McGraw to be there and plan the event. Well when I finally let everything sink in, it was time to react and I attempted to say a few words before grace and suddenly found it hard to speak for the lump in my throat. I love my family all of them, even the crazy ones...especially the crazy ones, because we are all crazy :) and you know I had always wanted a surprise party. I am very blessed indeed and hope that I never forget it. As I said before grace, I am often asked is my family supports my vocation and I cannot help but laugh. If they only knew. This day I thank the Lord for blessing me so richly with a family who loves me so much and is so unafraid to show the love they have. I already miss the gang that has gone back it sure was nice while it lasted. In moments like this weekend we can only wonder if this is so great...think of what heaven must be like- everyone- together-forever-with God. The communion of saints was made real to be by the presence of my family and friends who showed me their love this weekend. I will never forget this time of joy for me. In just four more years, at my ordination we will have the real party!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This last week was totally packed for me. Last Thursday, I flew out to Ohio with my buddy Sparky for our buddy Steve's wedding. It was a great time. I came back late Sunday night. That Wednesday, we had family come in from Mississippi to visit, many of whom I had not seen in years, and it was great to see them. I felt bad for not spending much time with them, as I had to drive to Venice for some interviews, then to Naples to register for a summer class. Finally, on Friday, after talking care of some business in Naples I got to spend some time with my family including cousins from Mississippi and my brother and his family. This was great, as I have missed my family so much since being away at school. In the midst of all this chaos, it was wonderful to have a break.
That night I stayed with my out of town family after a late night, failed fishing excursion with my two younger cousins. After this, I drove out early in the morning, someonewhat unrested from a sleep the night before on a couch, to return the truck to my dad for so he could use it for some errands. After this, I tried to do some Latin homework and became frustrated because my family needed some assistance getting ready for a get-together we were having at the beach that afternoon. So, in the midst of trying to get everything ready, get the homework done, get and get myself ready for this get-together (which I never really got to do, I went looking like a bum) I became very irritable and grouchy. Then, I had to ride there in my Dad's truck, with him at the helm, which I was not happy about...at all (his driving puts me on edge) I was a total ass the whole way there... I was tired, sweaty grumpy, nicotine deprived.
Well, when I got out of the truck the first thing I wanted to do was to light up a smoke. When we go to the place of said get together, everybody yelled "Surprise.." I was extremely confused. Well, after explanation I realized that this was a surprise graduation party for me. This was the reason the family had come down, and everyone was there. For me. I was absolutely blown away at the love that was shown to me. My big brother Jim had planned everything he and his wife had even sacrificed backstage passes to see Faith Hill and Tim McGraw to be there and plan the event. Well when I finally let everything sink in, it was time to react and I attempted to say a few words before grace and suddenly found it hard to speak for the lump in my throat. I love my family all of them, even the crazy ones...especially the crazy ones, because we are all crazy :) and you know I had always wanted a surprise party. I am very blessed indeed and hope that I never forget it. As I said before grace, I am often asked is my family supports my vocation and I cannot help but laugh. If they only knew. This day I thank the Lord for blessing me so richly with a family who loves me so much and is so unafraid to show the love they have. I already miss the gang that has gone back it sure was nice while it lasted. In moments like this weekend we can only wonder if this is so great...think of what heaven must be like- everyone- together-forever-with God. The communion of saints was made real to be by the presence of my family and friends who showed me their love this weekend. I will never forget this time of joy for me. In just four more years, God willing there will be an ordination and we can have a real party!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Saturday, May 27, 2006
Catholic Chat on AOL Current mood: frustrated Category: Life
It has been brought to my attention that this page has once agaon been a tiopic of discussion in a particular chat room on aol, not that I need to defend myself to those who engage in idle gossip which is not the way of a Christian, I will offer some explaination so as to avoid scandal.
1) I do not support drinking in excess, I drink in moderation. I happen to really, really enjoy the taste of a good beer. Mostly stouts, no Geuniss is not truley my best friend its was a humerous exageration, obvious to anyone who has bothered to read the rest of my page.
2) The Church has not postion on tattaoos, in the ealy days of Christianity in Rome, it would be comeone for men to recive the mark of Christianity (either the coross or the Chi Ro on thier arm or shoulder.
3) Yes some of my friends sometimes go overboard with comments, which can also be exagerations, but please keep in mind that people also attacked Jesus for his company, they also claimed that he drank to much.
40 With the exception of the JPII tribute, I have NEVER posted any song lyrics on my my space
Please know that gossip is a sin, I am not perfect and can fall into it mysefl, and do quite offten. But please also know that this talk about me behind my back, real does hurt me. All I long for with is to serve God and his people, I know this comes with its share of persecution so I bear my cross, (np matter how small or trivial). I have been told that I am a fairly approchable person, so please feel free to apporoch ME the biblical model is as follows when you brother sins, go to him, if he dosn't listen bring another brother, of he still dosn't listen go to the Church. Resonse on this blog is welcome.

Thursday, May 04, 2006
Casey F. Jones, B.A. Phil. Category: Life
Well here is the news that you have all been waiting for...This is an unusal blog for me as I will not be writing any deep relefections, its just a way to let all my frineds know whats going on. The day after tomorrow His Excellency, The Most Rev. Bishop George Leo Thomas, Bishop of Helena will present me with my Bachelor of arts in Philosophy. This means that I will be coming home to Florida for good! I will be flinying home this teusday. I have a phsycological exaimnation for the diocese on at the end of the week and will traveling to St. Pete for an ordination on the 20 and will be flying to Ohio for my buddy Steve's wedding. Other than that, I am wide open call me people, if you need my number message me.God Bless,Casey
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Tuesday, April 25, 2006
I am going into this blind... Current mood: blank Category: Religion and Philosophy
Well people I am honsetly going into this one blind. I have no idea what I am going to write about. Well lets see to start off its Easter. Alleluia. We had a beatiful triduam celebration (for those who don't know this is the three day celebration of Holy Thursday and Good Friday that lead into the Easter Vigil) Okay I;ll write a bit about thatI was on cermonies at the Cathedral and it was wonderful, though stressfull but I loved it. After the Liturgy of the Lord's passion and death I watch the passion of the Christ and wept. Then Joe and I stripped all the altars and chapels on campus, it was a very moving experince. I went to bed disturbed...something was wrong, there was no mass that day, I felt empty. The vigil eas wonderous Fr. Eric sang the Exsultant, and there were over twenty pople reciving the sacraments of intitation, new Catholics coming home, it was great. The bishop preached a fine homily (I enjoyed it all three times I heard it). Check out the cool pic of me and the bishop after the vigil. I am going to miss him.Well we had an Easter Vigil part two of sorts here last weekend. Here at Carroll we baptized four, recived two more into the Church, and confirmed six more. It was wonderious. The Bishop was with us and preached a fine homily (yes it was the same one) In fact, I'll share the main story from it:This story revolves around Sister Katie O'Toole. She was a Sister of Charity of Halifax. At 5'2" and 190 poulds she was a "dynamo" of energy an and incredbay gifted in leadership. By the time she was in her sixtes she had become the superior general of her order, and was vice president of the canadian women's religious conference. In her early sixties she was also diagnosed with termanal cancer. Soon she was given an offer that she could not refuse. She has qualified for expiermental mediation for patients in here condition. She was to be a pioner, or as she quiped a Guinea Pig for the experimental stage of this new medice.If I recall it was in the third stage of this treatment that something went terrible wrong. A tierd doctor after a long day, went to pick up the perscpition himself, and misread the label. A nurse discover five minutes too late that the syringe the doctor had picked up was meant for somone twice the weight and significantly larger in stature than the fiesty, yet little nun. Pandemoium broke out at the hospital. The tried to delude the drug, and phone the manufacture to see if there was a remedy, these hopes all in vain.Memeber of her community, familes and friends all came to the hospital in sheer panic. True to her form, Sister Katie remained calm and made three request of her loved ones. First, the expiermention of this medication must go on. Two, there was to be no litigation against the hospital or physican. Three, she wanted to see the devisated doctor who was just imobilized."Doctor," she said, "It was an honest mistake. Do not look back, look only ahead." Then Katie and the doctor shared a tearful embrace.This is the message of the Easter season, not to look back but to look a head into new, or renwed life in Christ our Lord. To not dwell on past sins and failures but to embrace new challeneges. This is also a good message for all who are graduating this summer, look a head dont look back...embrace new beginings. Step into the world as a new creation and jump into the person whom God has created you to be. Friends, thise a rough week and a half that I have left. Pray for me. Please.In Christ,Casey
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Tuesday, April 04, 2006
John Paul II We Love You Current mood: peaceful Category: Religion and Philosophy
Well as we pass by the anniversery of the death oh John Paul the Great, I will share with you all my own personal (yet cheesey) tribute that I sent out after his death.
With the passing of John Paul the great I find myself grieving as if a family member has passed away. The inspiration of The Holy Father on my life has been great, those who know me will know that the most memorable events of my life are two pilgrimages I made, one to Denver in 1993 and one to Rome in 2000 to year him address the youth. Many know that was the pilgrimage to World Youth Day in Denver that I recognize as the definitive moment in my life, when I felt the call to discern the priesthood. Other seminarians, such as myself say that we owe our vocations to John Paul II. Catholics my age for sometime now have been known in the Church as the JPII generation the legacy he has left behind is amazing. Well, inspiration struck me this week. I know its a bit cheesy, but many of you know how I like to write song parodies, so here you go. It's to the tune of Don McLean's American Pie. I hope that it conveys the indented message. Pray for the repose of the Soul of the Holy Father, and for the Church as we grieve this loss. I hope you enjoy, and please feel free to pass it on.

God Bless,

Casey Jones

FathaFloyd@aol.com


The Day John Paul Died

For a long, long time from nowWe will still rememberThe Pope who traveled To tell us of the love of ChristHe knew if he had the chance, hes kick those commies in the pantsBut instead conquered with the Splendor of the Truth 1

Though his feeble body quiveredWith every message he deliveredWe'd flock by the millions to himTo hear him speak againWe'll all remember how we criedWhen Jesus took this leader of his brideSome how we all felt empty insideThe day that John Paul died

So, Viva il Papa, Live onGone to be with JesusWe know that you see usIn the communion of saintsHeavens your HomeBut we shall miss you in RomeJohn Paul II, we love you!John Paul II, we love you!

Now, he wrote the book of love 2Led the faithful to God aboveMother Mary told him so (John 2:5)Candles lit the square belowWhen Jesus took his immortal soulHe showed Jesus is the way to GoTheres no doubt that were in love with himWe could feel the fire burn withinThis pope love the EucharistOh, man hell be missed

Well Faith and Reason lead us srong 3And we continue to go onBut we all know that somethings wrongToday John Paul died

Viva il Papa, Live onGone to be with JesusWe know that you see usIn the communion of saintsHeavens your HomeBut we shall miss you in RomeJohn Paul II, we love you!John Paul II, we love you!

Theres no need to sing the blues At the passing of John Paul IIFor the Gospel of life lives on 4Though our Church has seen some dark timesShes still the bride the Spirit guides

Though our hearts are brokenAnd the Church bells all are tollinLets remember that those he admired mostArinze, Ratzinger, and Sadono And all the cardinals he choose will vote nowThat John Paul died

So, Viva il Papa, Live onGone to be with JesusWe know that you see usIn the communion of saintsHeavens your HomeBut we shall miss you in RomeJohn Paul II, we love you!John Paul II, we love you!

1 Splendor of Truth (Veritatis Splendor) Written August 1993
2 Love and Responsibility January 1981
3 Faith and Reason (Fides et Ratio) Written September 1998
4 Gospel of Life (Evangelium Vitae) Written March 1995
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Thursday, March 30, 2006
Casey and the SDA the exciting conclusion Current mood: aggravated Category: Religion and Philosophy
Well,
The conversations continued after the last blog, but I have brout them to an end as I felt it was pointless, this didn't seem to me to be a dialouge but a onesided conversation. Please give me some feedback here. I will offer some thoughts at the end.
Casey, I came across this and I am glad I did because it has to do with part of our conversation from last week. You had brought up the young ruler who asked Christ about what he needed to do to inherit heaven. Christ gave him a response and you had asserted that his response meant that he had abandoned the Sabbath commandment. Read this when you get a chance, it's about 4 pages. But this is the real message behind our Savior's conversation. God Bless Casey. Your brother in Christ, Dennis One Thing Thou Lackest AND when He was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to Him, and asked Him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?" The young man who asked this question was a ruler. He had great possessions, and occupied a position of responsibility. He saw the love that Christ manifested toward the children brought to Him; he saw how tenderly He received them, and took them up in His arms, and his heart kindled with love for the Savior. He felt a desire to be His disciple. He was so deeply moved that as Christ was going on His way, he ran after Him, and kneeling at His feet, asked with sincerity and earnestness the question so important to his soul and to the soul of every human being, "Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?" "Why callest thou Me good?" said Christ, "there is none good but One, that is, God." Jesus desired to test the ruler's sincerity, and to draw from him the way in which he regarded Him as good. Did he realize that the One to whom he was speaking was the Son of God? What was the true sentiment of his heart? This ruler had a high estimate of his own righteousness. He did not really suppose that he was defective in anything, yet he was not altogether satisfied. He felt the want of something that he did not possess. Could not Jesus bless him as He blessed the little children, and satisfy his soul want? In reply to this question Jesus told him that obedience to the commandments of God was necessary if he would obtain eternal life; and He quoted several of the commandments which show man's duty to his fellow men. The ruler's answer was positive: "All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?" Christ looked into the face of the young man, as if reading his life and searching his character. He loved him, and He hungered to give him that peace and grace and joy which would materially change his character. "One thing thou lackest," He said; "go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow Me." Christ was drawn to this young man. He knew him to be sincere in his assertion, "All these things have I kept from my youth." The Redeemer longed to create in him that discernment which would enable him to see the necessity of heart devotion and Christian goodness. He longed to see in him a humble and contrite heart, conscious of the supreme love to be given to God, and hiding its lack in the perfection of Christ. Jesus saw in this ruler just the help He needed if the young man would become a colaborer with Him in the work of salvation. If he would place himself under Christ's guidance, he would be a power for good. In a marked degree the ruler could have represented Christ; for he possessed qualifications, which, if he were united with the Saviour, would enable him to become a divine force among men. Christ, seeing into his character, loved him. Love for Christ was awakening in the ruler's heart; for love begets love. Jesus longed to see him a co-worker with Him. He longed to make him like Himself, a mirror in which the likeness of God would be reflected. He longed to develop the excellence of his character, and sanctify it to the Master's use. If the ruler had then given himself to Christ, he would have grown in the atmosphere of His presence. If he had made this choice, how different would have been his future! "One thing thou lackest," Jesus said. "If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow Me." Christ read the ruler's heart. Only one thing he lacked, but that was a vital principle. He needed the love of God in the soul. This lack, unless supplied, would prove fatal to him; his whole nature would become corrupted. By indulgence, selfishness would strengthen. That he might receive the love of God, his supreme love of self must be surrendered. Christ gave this man a test. He called upon him to choose between the heavenly treasure and worldly greatness. The heavenly treasure was assured him if he would follow Christ. But self must yield; his will must be given into Christ's control. The very holiness of God was offered to the young ruler. He had the privilege of becoming a Son of God, and a coheir with Christ to the heavenly treasure. But he must take up the cross, and follow the Savior in the path of self-denial. Christ's words were verily to the ruler the invitation, "Choose you this day whom ye will serve." Joshua 24:15. The choice was left with him. Jesus was yearning for his conversion. He had shown him the plague spot in his character, and with what deep interest He watched the issue as the young man weighed the question! If he decided to follow Christ, he must obey His words in everything. He must turn from his ambitious projects. With what earnest, anxious longing, what soul hunger, did the Savior look at the young man, hoping that he would yield to the invitation of the Spirit of God! Christ made the only terms which could place the ruler where he would perfect a Christian character. His words were words of wisdom, though they appeared severe and exacting. In accepting and obeying them was the ruler's only hope of salvation. His exalted position and his possessions were exerting a subtle influence for evil upon his character. If cherished, they would supplant God in his affections. To keep back little or much from God was to retain that which would lessen his moral strength and efficiency; for if the things of this world are cherished, however uncertain and unworthy they may be, they will become all-absorbing. The ruler was quick to discern all that Christ's words involved, and he became sad. If he had realized the value of the offered gift, quickly would he have enrolled himself as one of Christ's followers. He was a member of the honored council of the Jews, and Satan was tempting him with flattering prospects of the future. He wanted the heavenly treasure, but he wanted also the temporal advantages his riches would bring him. He was sorry that such conditions existed; he desired eternal life, but he was not willing to make the sacrifice. The cost of eternal life seemed too great, and he went away sorrowful; "for he had great possessions." His claim that he had kept the law of God was a deception. He showed that riches were his idol. He could not keep the commandments of God while the world was first in his affections. He loved the gifts of God more than he loved the Giver. Christ had offered the young man fellowship with Himself. "Follow Me," He said. But the Savior was not so much to him as his own name among men or his possessions. To give up his earthly treasure, that was seen, for the heavenly treasure, that was unseen, was too great a risk. He refused the offer of eternal life, and went away, and ever after the world was to receive his worship. 523 Thousands are passing through this ordeal, weighing Christ against the world; and many choose the world. Like the young ruler, they turn from the Savior, saying in their hearts, I will not have this Man as my leader. Christ's dealing with the young man is presented as an object lesson. God has given us the rule of conduct which every one of His servants must follow. It is obedience to His law, not merely a legal obedience, but an obedience which enters into the life, and is exemplified in the character. God has set His own standard of character for all who would become subjects of His kingdom. Only those who will become co-workers with Christ, only those who will say, Lord, all I have and all I am is Thine, will be acknowledged as sons and daughters of God. All should consider what it means to desire heaven, and yet to turn away because of the conditions laid down. Think of what it means to say "No" to Christ. The ruler said, No, I cannot give you all. Do we say the same? The Savior offers to share with us the work God has given us to do. He offers to use the means God has given us, to carry forward His work in the world. Only in this way can He save us. The ruler's possessions were entrusted to him that he might prove himself a faithful steward; he was to dispense these goods for the blessing of those in need. So God now entrusts men with means, with talents and opportunities, that they may be His agents in helping the poor and the suffering. He who uses his entrusted gifts as God designs becomes a co-worker with the Savior. He wins souls to Christ, because he is a representative of His character. To those who, like the young ruler, are in high positions of trust and have great possessions, it may seem too great a sacrifice to give up all in order to follow Christ. But this is the rule of conduct for all who would become His disciples. Nothing short of obedience can be accepted. Self-surrender is the substance of the teachings of Christ. Often it is presented and enjoined in language that seems authoritative, because there is no other way to save man than to cut away those things which, if entertained, will demoralize the whole being. When Christ's followers give back to the Lord His own, they are accumulating treasure which will be given to them when they shall hear the words, "Well done, good and faithful servant; . . . enter thou into the joy of thy Lord." "Who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God." Matt. 25:23; Heb. 12:2. The joy of seeing souls redeemed, souls eternally saved, is the reward of all that put their feet in the footprints of Him who said, "Follow Me."



----------------- Original Message ----------------- From: Casey Date: Mar 26, 2006 4:59 PM Christ fulfilled the law. Read Romans it is abundantly clear. Jesus said nothing about the Sabbath to the young man. Jesus said nothing about the Sabbath at all, except to condemn ridged interpretation of the Sabbath law. The SDA have proven to be none other than modern day paresis. You have admitted that early Christians worshiped on Sunday. You claim the problem was that the changed the Sabbath. Yet the SDA do not observe the Sabbath the way the Jews did. You gather Saturday morning rather than Friday after sunset, you also don't forbid work on Saturday the way the Jews would. Your sect picks and chooses which of the old laws to keep, and there is even division in the SDA about that. DJ, brother I am growing weary of the circular arguments, you bring the same points over, and over and over again, but have no substance upon which to support your understanding of the scriptures that was invented 120 years ago by a woman who claimed to be a prophet (FYI "Prophetess" would be the correct term, I noticed that you apply the literal gender exclusive to a man in regards to the anti Christ but not to a prophet). I stand firm behind the teachings of the Apostles. You are not discussing, you are proselytizing. I have no interest in a man made religion. Instead of following your noble, but misguided, understandings of Sacred your contorted understanding of Scripture, I follow the Church, the mystical Body of Christ, that gave us the Scriptures. D. J., you are a sincere man of faith and I commend you for that, but be warned to attack Jesus' Church is to attack Jesus himself as Saul of Tarsus discovered. I pray that like him, you will one day see the light and come into the fullness of truth. Until then may the Holy Spirit show you the way. In Christ Jesus, Casey


Casey, This wasn't sent to cause argument ... as you put it, circular argument ... this was actually, a very beautiful and deep understanding of that exchange between the young ruler and our Christ. As well, it was the true meaning of what Christ wanted us to receive. Many people today do have this very problem. As far as your knowledge of SDA's ... our Sabbath does start Friday Sunset. Ends Saturday Sunset. Our Church, and the many that I have attended have services starting Friday evening. Our worship session is Saturday morning. As far as forcing people not to work ... why would we do that? Why would we require that? If you want to serve God with your heart you will obey his commands .. if someone has to force you to do anything ... that what benefit is that serving anyone? God does not impose his law on us ... he gives us freewill. That's what this whole great struggle is all about Casey, free will to either obey him or not to obey him. As far as Romans ... the only thing I received from you was regarding the Young and Strong. And if you read that whole chapter, there IS NO WAY you can jump to the conclusion that that is what they were trying to mean ... its not even written in that manner. As far as following the old Sabbaths and rituals ... Colossians outlined that but you twisted that and took it to say ... don't let anyone judge you on what you eat, whets Sabbaths you observe, rituals etc. Christ was the ultimate sacrifice so once he died he completed the old sacrificial system but he did NOT abolish God's commands. You're right, Jesus did condemn the way the Sabbath used to be observed, he SHOWED us the way to honor the Sabbath. Why would he say, "I tell you it is good to do good on the Sabbath." ... But just do it until they crucify me because then we wont need to observe it anymore? That just doesn't make sense. We worship God on our Sabbath, we fellowship, we testify, we do goodwill, we help people in need, visit sick people ... we wear our faith and our creator on our sleeve that day to show everyone who our creator is. Like I said, I'll address peter sometime this week and most definitely address the points you mentioned especially the Isaiah verses you jotted down. I need to get final confirmation because I want to make sure, but the Saints in Revelation Chapter 6 ... I believe its verse 5 where John see the some holy people who had been killed because they served God's word ... I believe that they were the first fruits. That same chapter it says they were given White robes and told to be just a little bit more patient. In Chapter 14 we see now the 144k redeemed joining the First Fruits, in white Robes. We are crystal clear that the only people who had gone to heaven are Enoch, Moses, and Elijah. Jesus was resurrected and along with him, the FIRST FRUITS were brought to heaven with him to be the first fruits of the spiritual harvest that would be coming. SO we have been given instruction from God as to who is in heaven. When we twist the word of God to go against Scripture to support this notion that when we die our Soul goes to heaven and we can receive prayers from our fellow brethren on earth we're usurping ourselves above God to support men's traditions and rituals. Like I said, I'll address this Peter misnomer later this week. If you have not read what I sent you today in its entirety I would highly suggest it. It's a very beautiful piece of work. One thing I completely agree with you is that I do choose to follow the apostles teachings and God's Word. Just as Peter tells me in Acts. I choose to have faith only in their word and promise than to risk my salvation on what some man claims to be the truth because they are sitting on "the chair" and are able to receive God's spirit to interpret doctrine and make changes to His law. SDA's didn't make some new religion ... we are the remnant because we truly follow God's laws top to finish and accept Christ, the Father, the Holy Ghost trinity. When we pray to DEAD people to intercede for us, and receive our prayers and direct them to God ... we are basically trumping them above Christ, because as Timothy tells us ONLY ONE IS BETWEEN US AND GOD ... and His name is Jesus Christ. God Bless you Casey and may he guard you. DJ

From: Casey Date: Mar 26, 2006 8:58 PM I am afraid this dialogue has come to an end, for you to disregard things that I have spent much time writing about is insulting. In my original response to your blog, I said that Catholics pray to God in the name of Jesus, our central prayer is the Eucharist (instituted by the command of Jesus in all 4 gospels), this is a prayer to the Father. Saints are not mediators they are intercessors, who are alive because he is a God of the living not of the dead. I have addressed this, just like I have made the point that when someone prays for you they are not mediating this was the very first item I addressed. This is what I mean by circular, when I address a point, you bring up two others, you do not allow a single issue to be addressed. If I address Sunday worship, you bring up praying to saints. If I address that, you bring up the papacy, if I address that, you bring up the dead not being in heaven, if I address that you bring up Sunday worship again. Again it is clear that you do not wish to discuss but to bash the Catholic Church in hopes to show me that she is the whore of Babylon. You cannot do this by prooftexting the scriptures under the guidance of men who do not have the Perrine authority commissioned by Jesus. I put this challenge to you, and this is the ONLY response to this I will except give me one (1) post biblical historical example of Sabaterianism before the nineteenth century that was widely excepted by the community of believers, and then perhaps I will entertain your premise. Just one example, that is all I am asking, show me this evident in post biblical apostolic tradition.

Casey


So you're saying that early Christens did not keep the Sabbath? Is that what you're saying? (Yes I did say they the Bible says they gathered on Sunday sometimes but it also says they gathered on the Sabbath) As far as God being a God of the living and not the dead, I addressed that as well ... to use your phrase you are reading it like men. It amazes me of how you read something and twist it to support your position of doctrine when the rest of scripture does not support you. We have clear instruction that scripture has to support scripture. What the verse was talking about was that the men that text had mentioned, Moses Isaac Joseph etc ... were men of God. Those are the kind of men that God is a God too. Men who do evil, drugs, pimps, idol worshipers do they pray to God? Can he possible be their God? Of course not. But that shouldn't even be used in our discussion because the same Romans chapter that you sent me Jesus clearly tells us that Jesus is God over the Living and the DEAD! So if that's the case than which is it? Those verses don't support what you're trying to support. And I understand you pray to God ... I know that, but you and others still pray to saints who have died, to INTERCEDE for you. The argument I heard was if I ask a good friend on earth to pray for me, why would he stop being my good friend in heaven. Why wouldn't he pray for me while he is in heaven. And that's the point ... he cant pray for you because he is dead. He can't intercede for you because he is dead. And that the thing you're not seeing. We know because as you have said that the Bible is the book of our Lord and our God .. we know who are in heaven right now. Why would we then make changes to that and say other people are there too. I'll send what you are looking for Casey, but would it really make a difference? You called SDA's modern day Pharisees but I think you have that in reverse by the interpretation that you guys have set on the laws. God Bless you Casey. Your brother in Christ. DJ

Even Eric Svendsen, a former Catholic turned Evangelical, his critique of Roman Catholic apologetics, Evangelical Answers (1997) : "If it can be confirmed by history that the people of God ceased to exist within the Catholic church, then we must look elsewhere for those people of God. The fact is, there have always existed alongside of the institutional form of the Catholic church many splinter groups that opposed her abuses of power and morality. Indeed, there have often been reform movements within the Catholic church itself! This is where the true church is to be found during all those years of corruption prior to the Reformation." (Svendsen, page 73) Ellen G. White, founder of the Seventh-day Adventist denomination in the 19th century, claims to have found early seventh-day "Sabbath keepers" in the Waldenses : "In lands beyond the jurisdiction of Rome there existed for many centuries bodies of Christians who remained almost wholly free from papal corruption. They were surrounded by heathenism and in the lapse of ages were affected by its errors; but they continued to regard the Bible as the only rule of faith and adhered to many of its truths. These Christians believed in the perpetuity of the law of God and observed the Sabbath of the fourth commandment....But of those who resisted the encroachments of the papal power, the Wildness stood foremost....The faith which for centuries was held and taught by the Waldensian Christians was in marked contrast to the false doctrines put forth from Rome....Through ages of darkness and apostasy there were Wildness who denied the supremacy of Rome, who rejected image worship as idolatry, and who kept the true Sabbath...Here, for a thousand years, witnesses for the truth maintained the ancient faith." (The Great Controversy, chapter on "The Wildness") E.H. Broadbent calls these Bible-believing Christians The Pilgrim Church in his book of that name...." [Hunt quotes from Broadbent, a Plymouth Brethren author, who refers to the Waldenses/Vaudois, Albigenses/Cathari, Bogomils, etc as the true "Bible-believing" Christians] "These simple believers were burned at the stake or slain with the sword (and most of their records were destroyed) when their towns and villages were razed by papal armies. Catholic apologists falsely accuse them of heresies and abominable practices which they denied. The accounts we have of their trials reveal that they held beliefs similar to evangelicals of today." (page 254-255) "We have already noted that for centuries before the Reformation simple Christian fellowships existed outside the Catholic Church. These believers abhorred the heresies and hypocrisy of Rome and refused to honor the pope. For this they were hounded to terrible deaths by the hundreds of thousands." (page 392) "Eventually you would confess to anything to end the torment, but no matter what you confess it never fits the secret accusation, so the torture continues until at last you expire from the unbearable trauma. Such was the fate of millions." (page 250) The one thing you have to keep in mind Casey, is that the one constant that we have in all of this is the Bible. We have the promise of that bible as well. We have the promise from God and Christ himself that if we call and ask he will bless us with understanding. I know you keep saying, "well if all you protestants say you're right than why are there so many of you?" … "We are the true Church etc etc" … but Revelation 18 is clear, God will not suffer forever … he will make a call to His people. There are good Christen is every denomination out there who Love Jesus and have faith in Him with all of their hearts. He will not ignore them forever Casey. We Honor God and Worship Him. You keep asking for History etc and I have given you a few blurbs to ponder but it will never be good enough. My prayer for you is that you pray with your heart Casey to have the Love of Christ in your heart and that he guide you into truth. Look at what the USA has done in Iraq … Iraq no longer has a museum that documented their very existence … its gone. DO we deny it existed? Are we to believe that when the papacy used to tortue these souls they wouldn't have destroyed their trace? Like I said and will keep saying, God is more powerful than the force on this earth. I told you before that one day protestants and Rome will unite and a Sunday observance will be put into place. EGW prophesies that in the end days things will get so bad that church leaders will say that the reason things are happening to us is that we have gone away from God;s law. Jump on this website and see what is happening May 7th. www.tencommandmentsday.com Like I said, I pray for you Casey … but I'll take my chances on worshiping God and not men. God bless you my brother. Your brother in Christ, DJ PS Oh please send me what your beliefes are on the anti Christ, Babylon, mark of the beast when you get a chance and what your church says about what revelation means.


----------------- Original Message ----------------- From: Casey Date: Mar 27, 2006 8:34 AM I love how you keep accusing me of worshiping someone/thing other than God. Again, you have given me no evidence all you did was cite an anti catholic source. Further even this source says nothing of sabaterianism, show me a document, a letter, something from post scriptural but before 1800 that shows that Christens held what you hold all along. There is no historical proof of your righteous remnant, again this is the only thing I will respond too. You claim not to pass judgment, yet you tell me who I worship. In Christ, Casey


Please also dont forget to show me from Scripture, where the change from Saturday to Sunday took place. Where God or Christ Himself said the Sabbath is no longer in place but Sunday is. And please dont use Scripture like Romans where it talks about a day ... and we then try to extrapolate that to mean ..." See he didnt say Sabbath so its clear the Sabbath is no longer necessary." God Bless You Casey and your studies. Your Brother in Christ, DJ


And before getting a chance to respond to this issue I had already adressed…

Casey, I was reading Matthew last night and one thing that struck me that hasnt so much in the past is where Jesus says that on this Rock I will build my church. I realize that you feel he is talking to Peter directly saying that On this rock I will build my church. We SDA believe that "On this Rock" he is referring to himself, because all the apostles are present. And Christ has ALWAYS been respresented as the Rock and againts Him the gates of Hades have never overcome him in past history, nor will they ever over come him in the future. But thats not the point but it lends itself a little to it. The very next chapter when he lets the Apostles know about the crucifixion he must suffer etc ... what happens, Peter pulls him aside and rebukes Him ... and what happens? what does Jesus say to Peter directly? I will include this in my blog along with other things but I wanted to share it with you. That's why we can never put our faith or our belief in men having the ability to translate what God or Christ wants from us. We are to lead to Scripture and Scripture in turns leads us to the Holy Spirit directly which is from God and Christ. And if there is contradiction we have to question it. God Bless you my brother. DJ


From: Casey Date: Mar 28, 2006 8:22 AM Brother listen to what you are saying: "That's why we can never put our faith or our belief in men having the ability to translate what God or Christ wants from us." No one picked up the Bible and interpreted it as Ellen White did until 1830. The writings of Paul Speak for themselves about mosaic laws. The SDA allows men to interpret the scriptures for them. You, yourself have gone to your pastor with questions- yet you claim its the spirit, just as do the other 20,000 denominations of Protestantism, which is why I belong to a Church not a denomination. Greek makes a dissemination between you singular and you plural, so there is no question that Jesus is singularly addressing Peter. Some use the fact that in attick (primitive Greek) Petros means small stone. However, it is the masculine form of Petra. Jesus would not use Petra to refer to a man, as it is feminine. This is a mute point anyway as we see in scripture Peter is often called by the Greek version of his Aramaic name Kepha, Cephus, which always means "Rock", never pebble. Later, Jesus does give the apostles together, the authority to bind and loose. This is why Catholics acknowledge that the body of the successors to the apostles together is a final authority as is a declaration made by Peters successors. Yes, Jesus later rebukes Peter and calls him Satan, again Peter was speaking for himself, not for the Church which is why he was rebuked. I have already discussed the difference between infallibility and impeccability. Don't forget to address John 21 where Jesus tells Peter three times to care for his flock. Don't forget to address the fact that Peter is always mentioned first when the apostles are listed. (Mt 10:1-4; Mk 3:16-19; Lk 6:14-16; Acts 1:13; Lk 9:32) Don't forget to address the fact that he always speaks for the apostles (Mt 18:21; Mk 8:29; Lk 12:41; Jn 6:69 ), that he was the fist to preach (Acts 2:14-40 ), the first to heal (Acts 3:6-7), the one who received revelation about baptism of gentiles (Acts 10:46-48 ) and the one to see the Lords revelation about gentiles not following Mosaic laws. (which of course the SDA negates and explains away) oh yeah and don't forget that he is the strength of the brethren (Lk 22:31-32)Of course most of this is addressed in my former e-mail. Also do not forget to address the Davidic role of the prime minister. Just thought I'd remind you. In Christ, Casey

Casey, Thanks very much for giving me all these points, I definitely will address all of them. The Bible tells me that I should welcome prophecies and test them. That's what we have done with EGW and she holds true. Her teachings are not a deviation from God's law nor is it contradictory from the Bible. She directs us to the bible. That's why our faith is on the Bible and if it is on the Bible than it is on God because the Word is God breathed. Our faith is in the father, son and holy spirit. Just a quick point about taking care of his sheep ... I find it interesting that in Matthew 25 when Jesus is speaking to us in our judgment he again uses that same analogy. YOU AND I make up God's church. We are part of that institution. We have that charge on us just as Peter had on him. That's why it is upon us to guard his sheep, cloth them, feed them give them drink. SDA's believe that the person we fail to talk to about Christ and bring into the fold .. to feed his sheep their blood is on our hands. We have a right, a charge on us from God himself to spread his message. As far as my pastor, I have never heard him contradict something the bible has said. And as a matter of fact, our pastors tell us to NEVER put our faith in them , to always put our faith in God. God will never fail but men can. Just like Peter ... just like any apostles ... just like any of your priests ... we are not that rock. Jesus is. And as far as the 20k demonations ... name me another demo. that believes that when you die, you die ... no immortal soul ... that worships on the true Sabbath ... that has their faith in Christ ... recognizes them as the trinity, proclaims the 3rd angels message .... almost all protestants faiths Casey share 2 very distinct traits with Catholics and that is the immortal soul and Sunday worship. And one final point, I will definitely address the Isaiah reference you pointed out, but I'll also point you to Isaiah 24:4-6. It talks about the Lords devastation on the earth at his judgment ... it doesn't get much clearer of his wrath against us ... we have disobeyed His laws, violated the statutes and broken the everlasting covenant. Just as he said, Honor this Sabbath for it will be a sign between me and you FOREVER!!! Doesn't get much clearer than that in scripture. When we Honor his covenant we truly follow Christ's path of love for our fellow men and Love for our Father our creator. God Bless Casey and I will try and post my bog by the weekend. DJ

And again before I responded:
Body: Casey, I found this on the web today and thought you might find it interesting. I have shared with you a few of the prophecies that EGW wrote more than 100 years ago of things that will take place prior to the return of Christ. One of her prophecies was that Protestants would unite with Rome. To say such a thing in her time would have been pretty crazy, but fast forward to today and it is happening in front of us. Another thing she prophecies was about spiritualism and the healing of demons etc. Read the link story below of Bob Larson, an Exscorcist who was at the Vatican in December. The reason I found him was that he appeared on CNN last night while I was reading a chapter in the Great Controversy that is entitled the Impending Doom ... It highlight some things that will become more and more prevalent right before the coming of the Great Trouble and ultimately the coming of our Lord. You can kind of liken it to birth pains ... and they are getting more painful. But as I was reading this chapter, it was about spiritualism and the protestants unification with Rome ... and all of a sudden the report on CNN comes on and it was talking about that very subject. It was a pretty powerful sequence of events. I know your a true catholic Casey. I admire your faith in Jesus Christ ... I really do. But the Bible is clear that we should be open to Prophecies because in the latter days God would give us that gift ... if someone predicted things 100 plus years ago that are manifesting themselves wouldn't it be prudent to investigate on your part? Anyway, I hope our dialogue continues to be civil and friendly ... I know you feel frustration sometimes and truthfully I do too. Not because I want to prove you wrong, but I truly care about you as my brother in Christ. God be with you my brother. DJ December 10, 2005 - Pope Invites Methodists to Join Catholic-Lutheran Agreement VATICAN CITY (RNS) Pope Benedict XVI encouraged Methodist leaders on Friday (Dec. 9) to join a landmark 1999 agreement between Lutherans and the Vatican that overcame centuries of disagreement on the nature of salvation. In his first official meeting with top-ranking officials of the World Methodist Council (WMC), Benedict urged the council to endorse the Joint Declaration, a 1999 Catholic-Lutheran accord on how humankind achieves salvation. "Should the World Methodist Council express its intent to associate itself with the Joint Declaration, it would assist in contributing to the healing and reconciliation we ardently desire, and would be a significant step towards the stated goal of full visible unity in faith," Benedict told the delegation led by WMC President Bishop Sunday Mbang of Nigeria. Martin Luther sparked the 16th century Protestant Reformation by challenging the Catholic doctrine of "justification," which holds that good works are essential to attaining salvation. Lutherans held that salvation was God-given and achieved by faith alone. In the 1999 compromise, both sides agreed that salvation is achieved through God's grace, which is reflected in good works. Bishop Michael Putney, a Vatican negotiator for Catholic-Methodist relations, said he expects the council to endorse the declaration at its worldwide conference in Seoul, South Korea, next summer. December 11, 2005 - Bob Larson Is Going to the Vatican (The following is a letter from Bob Larson on his website) I have always expressed my appreciation for the way the Catholic Church has maintained the tradition of exorcism. Even the late Pope John Paul II performed at least three known exorcisms, one in St. Peter's Cathedral in Rome. While many Protestants have shied away from embracing deliverance through exorcism, Catholics have kept the practice alive. The way that Catholics do exorcism has some differences as to style, but the basic fundamentals are the same. In fact, I have encouraged our Do What Jesus Did (DWJD) healing and deliverance teams to read the Rituale Romanum, the ancient Catholic rite of exorcism. It is filled with majestic, biblical language that boldly confronts Satan and his demons. Of course, as a Protestant and evangelical Christian I have some theological differences with Catholics. But I've always made it a practice to embrace all Christians who share a common faith in Christ and a desire to defeat the works of the devil. I stand alongside my Catholic brothers in Christ who dare to do what many Protestants won't do - cast out demons! I believe in the Last Days before the return of Jesus Christ that all those who believe in spiritual warfare need to join together as a worldwide spiritual army, regardless of our theological differences. That's why this breakthrough is such an answer to prayer.

D. J., Lord be on my lips and in My heart that I may proclaim and defend your truth in charity. I beg this In the Name of Jesus who is Truth himself. Amen Thank you for sharing your insights, on current events in compassion withe the prophesies of Ellen White, I will address these at the end of the e-mail. First I would like to address something that I spoke of earlier, but was not adequately addressed. This is the righteous remnant theory, that many evangelical protestants use to claim that there were always faithful followers of Christ (i.e. ones who hold to their tenants, in whichever way they differ from Catholicism). Protestant apologist will often try to find heretics that were punished during the inquisition and identify these as the "Righteous Remnant" that the vile Church of Rome persecuted. [N.B. I am not in favor of the inquisition, it was an injustice, even though men may have thought that these extreme measures were necessary to keep heresy from spreading like poison, killing, and torturing people of matters of faith is an act of evil, the ends do not justify the means] Well, it seems that Ellen White is no exception to this rule. It seems Mrs. White, found two sects that she identifies as the righteous remnant: "The gospel had been planted in Bohemia as early as the ninth century. The Bible was translated, and public worship was conducted, in the language of the people. ... Heaven had provided other agencies for the preservation of the church. Many of the Waldenses and Albigenses, driven by persecution from their homes in France and Italy, came to Bohemia. Though they dared not teach openly, they labored zealously in secret. Thus the true faith was preserved from century to century." Great Controversy, Chapter 6, paragraph 1, p97. "Century after century the blood of the saints had been shed. While the Waldenses laid down their lives upon the mountains of Piedmont 'for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ,' similar witness to the truth had been borne by their brethren, the Albigenses of France." ibid. Ch. 15, p. 271 Wow, this does not say much for the SDA, and for Ms. White. The Albigenses were heretics who fell into a form of gnosticism, which was a heresy in the early Church, it is even referenced Scripture. Albigensians, like other Gnostics, claimed that there was a good God who made the soul, and a bad God that made the body. The believed that Jesus wasn't divine, and that his suffering was an illusion, among other things. Are these tenants of the SDA faith? I would hope not. BTW don't take my word, here is an Internet article on them, from a neutral source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensians The Waldneses, also where a split of group founded in the 12th century. Now, they actually claim to have apostolic origins, but the mainstream thought agrees that they are a splinter group. Many of them still participated in Catholic Sacraments, and there leaders were not married. Eventually they merged with the Albigensians. Again, take a look at wikioedia, this is not made up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldenses Now, none of these groups are known for worshiping on the Sabbath. Do Adventist believe Jesus is Divine? Do you have bishops? Do you preach that marriage is evil? These were all tenants of the sects that Ellen White Claimed were part of the remnant Church. This conflict has even been noted by Adventists: "I know people who, because of a few comments in Ellen White's book The Great Controversy, have a great fondness for the Albigensians (or Cathars), who were also considered heretics. Many were killed for their faith. These Cathars were very different from the Waldensians. They believed that Jesus was an angel, denied Jesus was really a man who died and was resurrected, and believed the Old Testament came from Satan. They discouraged marriage. They were in their day what David Koresh's Branch Davidians are in ours. Were they heretics or martyrs? Could they be both?" -- Adventist Review, Nov 20, 2003 - http://adventistreview.org/2003-1547/story4.html Now, On to some of Ellen's Prophesies: It seems that her visions revealed that she would be alive for the rapture: "Soon our eyes were drawn to the East, for a small black cloud had appeared, about half as large as a man's hand, which we all knew was the sign of the Son of Man...we were changed and caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the air." Early Writings pg 15-16. Over 140 years ago, Mrs White said in May of 1856 that some of those listening to her will live to see the return of Jesus...Some of those that were attending a meeting with her would become food for worms, and some would live to become subjects of the seven last plagues, and some others would "remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus." This is similar to the way the Jehovah's Witnesses keep claiming the world will end on a certain date, then when they are proven wrong, the explain it away. Now I also found some disturbing theology contained in Ellen's works, this one is a grave error: "As the priest, in removing the sins from the sanctuary, confessed them upon the scapegoat, so Christ will place those sins upon Satan..."The Great Controversy, Pg 422, 485-486 Christ is our scapegoat, he atoned for our sins, he took on our sins, not Satan. Now, as the saying goes, even a blind pig finds an acorn every now and then. When someone makes open ended prophesies, and as many as Ellen did, some may turn out to be true, to an extent. Much the same way the 1960's show "Laugh In" predicted the fall of the Berlin wall. Catholics and Protestants reuniting. I pray everyday for this to happen. Jesus prayed that we be one that the world may believe. I hope this happens. I know for sure it will one day for we will all be one in heaven, as we stand before the throne of God. In the mean time, I will remain with the only true Apostolic Church. God Bless, Casey Last and final straw:


"As the priest, in removing the sins from the sanctuary, confessed them upon the scapegoat, so Christ will place those sins upon Satan..."The Great Controversy, Pg 422, 485-486 You have a habit of reading something, not reading it in context and taking await a totally different meaning. Just like in Romans where you think "to one man every day is the same ... to another man one day is sacred" ... See ... that means all days are the same. You have to read it in context Casey. That Chapter is talking about the Old Sanctuary system that was in the Mosaic Law. Holy Of Holies. In Hebrews it does talk about Christ being our High priest etc. That chapter is pretty detailed and you should read it ... in context this time. I also talked with one of our deacons last night and have a reply for the ... You are Peter and on this Rock I will build my church" What did Peter tell Christ? That he was the Son of God. The Rock that Jesus was talking about was him. I know you say well the Greek translation is Petra etc etc. I understand that ... but what Christ was referring to is that the CHURCH is built upon the foundation that Jesus Christ is THE SON OF GOD. That's the foundation that whole Church is built on. We know he is the son of God, has died for our sins, that we have a way to Salvation through him. That Rock! That Truth is what the Church is built on. Peter denied the lord 3 times ... in the very next chapter Satan already had overcome him ... CHRIST would never build his Church on a Human being. He has always been the Rock. And the Gates of hell will never overcome him. That's why our faith is centered around Jesus Christ. What he commands us and that is to obey his Fathers commands. God, his Father, tell us in Revelation to support his commandments and have the testimony of Jesus which is prophecy. I feel comfortable with my salvation because I am following the church, the truth, the rock which is the Son of God. That's what the Church was built on. The Jews in that time frame were looking at Christ himself in the flesh and didn't believe. I don't kid myself and think I can convince you Casey. I know I cant. But I feel I have completed my duty as a Christen. I have fed you and will continue to hopefully have an email relationship with you. I believe that this world does not have much left in her so we'll see. I don't think Protestants will unite with Rome I know they will. I don't think there will be a Sunday Law I know there will be because that is the Mark of the Beast. SO my only hope is that if this happens maybe in the next 5 years 10 years and God willing if you and I are alive you'll remember my conversations with you and say ... "You know this was predicted to me 10 years ago. Protestants uniting and a Sunday law." If that happens Casey maybe you'll believe. Until then, I know you believe In the Catholic Church. I am fine with that. I know you love Jesus so my prayer and hope is that he intercede and if these things happen the Holy Spirit will move you and open your eyes. As for the stuff you wrote, would it make a difference if I responded? As far as Sunday literature ... go to www.biblicalperspectives.com Dr. Samuel Bacchioccho was the first non-catholic to gradate from the Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome. He was awarded a Gold medal by Pope Paul VI for attaining summa cum laude for his class work and dissertation From Sabbath to Sunday. He's probably smarter than you and I will ever be combined. Read his work ... I'll actually buy you the book if you'd like as a college present for you. EGW ahs been called the Anti Christ, 666, she plagiarized her work, said God would come down 1847, people would be alive when she Christ came back etc ... I heard it before ... but what I feel comfortable about my belief is that I am following Jesus Christ. The Rock that the Church was founded on. Following His Fathers commands and am in His love because Christ told me. I honor the Sabbath as a show of respect for my creator because he tells me it will be a sign between Him and I forever. Is there a translation error in the word Forever? I feel good about my faith as I know you do yours. So when you see the unification of Protestants and Rome, when you see the miraculous signs of Spiritualism, when you see the Sunday Law being pushed for ... hopefully you will remember these chats. I will be praying for you Casey as I know you will be for me. God Bless you my brother. DJ


The dialogue is over, I shake the dust off my feet and will always keep you in my prayers, you are not open to the fullness of truth, due to invincible ignorance, and I am sorry. You only respond and listen to at best half the things I tell you. God bless, you are in my prayers. Casey
Some final thoughts and obsevations about this discussion:
1.) The SDA constantly attacks the church for listening to men, not God, yet if you noticed, every time I refute one of his claims he comes back with "My pastor says..." "Iwas talking to my deacon..." or "Ellen White says..."
2.) This individual as well as the SDA adheres to a revisionist account of history, when encounterd with n historical proof, the run to Ellens openended prophesies or to extracontextual verses from scripture yo spoort thier claims and refuse to adress the obvious.
3.) When confronted with a fact, (either scriptural, or historical) this individual changed the subject (often to one already adressed) or came back with an ad hominum attack.
4.) The SDA sect arbatraritly decided which laws have been fullfilled and which ones must be retained.
Now, I realy hate to end this but it was getting nowhere, in the last e-mail he said that nothing could change his mind as he new the truth, sad.
"If any one will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town." Matthew 10:14
" Do not speak in the hearing of a fool, for he will despise the wisdom of your words." Proverbs 23:9
Perhaps this brother thinks the same of me, but I tried to answer it semed he did not want to listen. Please comment and tell me what you think? Did I get too frustrated? Was i wrong to end this? Could I have done something differant. Those of you who have delt with this guy before feel free to comment, and anyone else its ok to disagree with me.
Consumed by his precious Blood,
Casey
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Saturday, March 25, 2006
I am ther servant of the Lord, be it done to me as you have said. Current mood: grateful
Today is the feast of the Annunciation, one of my favorite feats of the liturgical year, the day we celebrate the beginng of our slavtion. Today we commemorate the day that the Angel declared to Mary that she would concieve a son who will be the savior of the world. I'd like to share some thoughts bout the gospel of today, Luke 1:26-38.This gospel scene is profound. In its very begining we have the Angel of the Lord, the one who is idendified earlier as "Gabriel, who stand in the presence of God." An angel is a magnificant being, several times in the bible, when agels appear to men, the mistake them for God himslef and fall down to worship them. This angel of the Lord, this magnificant being, comes to a young woman (proably about 13 or 14), a young mortal woman and adresses her: "Hail." The greek here "Chire" is a formal greeting, one that would be used for a superior, for royalty. An angel of God adress a young girl as if she is a queen! Then he gives her a title "Kekaretomine" or "Full of Grace" (a more accurate translation than "higly favored one") There some some places in scripture were people are descibed as being full of grace (such as Steven in Acts) but nowhere will you find this greek tittle Kecharitomne. Mary was full of Grace! This was before the death of Christ on the cross, this shows that Mary was always full of Grace, from the first moment of her conception, God allowed her the grace won for all of us by Jesus death on the cross, in order that she may be a worthy vesesl to bear God himself into the world.This angel goes on to tell Mary that by the power of the Holy Spirit, she will conceve and bear a Son whose kingdom will have no end. After the angel spole the words to here about the holy spirit over shadowing her and giving hr a son, I imagine that for a fraction of a fraction of a second, all of greating stood still. The angels in heaven all listined carefully to hear what her answr would be, all of slavation hindging on how a teenage gril would respond to the will of God. "Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord. May it be done to me according to your word." She has agreed to share in God's plan of salvation by bringing God, himslef, salvation itself, love itslef, the incarnate Word himslef into the world. Sunch humility God has, in findinging favor in a young woman, and rasing her to the level of the mother of God himself, in order to bring salvation to us wicked men!Thank you, good and gracious God for your salvation, thank you for Our Lady, and for this great feast of our slavation.Pour forth, we beseech thee oh Lord, thy garce into Our Hearts, that we to whome the incarnation of Christ thy son was made known by the message of an angel my by his passion and cross be brought to the glory of his resurrection, through the same Christ our Lord. Amen
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Thursday, March 23, 2006
Discusion with an anti-Catholic (Seventh Day Adventist) Current mood: frustrated Category: Religion and Philosophy
This all began when this person asked me to read some of his anti-catholic blogs, which I and several others had responded to. He then e-mailed me asking questions (offen several times a day) and I attempted to respond, comments are more than welcome, includine any that you may have DJ.
From: Romans 12v21 Date: Mar 20, 2006 4:50 PM You state the Saint are visible in revelation as the incense represents the prayers of the saints. In revelation it also states that The Saints are those who obey God's commandment and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev14;17. The saints are characterized by God in revelation and those who will make it to Heaven as it states that Satan after failing against Jesus went off to make war against his offspring etc. I think the confusion may be in the term "saints." Its true that Catholics have canonized bishops, popes etc and have made them "saints" correct? But when I refer to saints I am referring to those who adhere to the commandments of God and who hold to the testimony of Jesus (the spirit of prophecy) not "Saints" as Catholics infer. I do not believe that when we die we go to heaven and that people should pray to us to intercede because the bible tells me what death is. Its clear. So when we say "Saints" I think we're talking about two different things and Revelation supports my position. Don't you think?



From: Casey Date: Mar 20, 2006 5:09 PM Yes, and no. If you look at my posting I mention the passage in revelation as an example of the Saints in heaven interceding for the saints on earth. The Church teaches that we are all saints as we all share in the communion of saints. Saint with a capital "S" is how we distinguish those faithful who have gone before us into eternity which includes believers of every sort, most canonized Saints are women. And the notion you have of death, I'm afraid isn't biblical. What about Elijah who was taken up in a chariot of fire, what about Moses, who with Elijah was seen with Jesus during the transfiguration, and as Josh said what of the good thief who was promised paradise this day. Do you have any evidence of Christens interpreting the scriptures this way before the 19th century? I can see how one can come to that conclusion, and many that you and others have come to by not understanding the scriptures entirely. Brother, you are a good man with a desire to lead others to Christ, God bless you for it. May the Spirit guide us! In Jesus, Casey
From: Romans 12v21 Date: Mar 20, 2006 7:47 PM Quick question before I answer Moses and Elijah, are Catholics prohibited from readings the writings of Ellen white? I was born in Chicago but am of Guatemalan heritage as both my Mom and Father are from there. A large portion of our family is catholic as Catholicism is very prevalent in Guatemala. My Mom told me that when she suggested to my cousin to read some of Ellen's books that she said they were not permitted. I didn't know what to think but just wanted to get your opinion as well. Is that true? I don't base my beliefs on Ellen White as she has always guided us to scripture. She is sometimes referred to as a lesser light guiding you to the greater light (scripture). She sort of uncovers the truths in the bible and illustrates them and writes in a manner that is so divine. And for the record, I in no way put her above the bible nor did she ever put herself as that type of person but she has always pointed us to scripture and leading our lives faithfully through Jesus. As far as Elijah and Moses. It is true that they did appear to Jesus on the mount. But they served a greater purpose and it was symbolic. Symbolically they represented the coming of the Lord as the lord himself in the previous chapter had told his disciples, "I tell you the truth, some of you will not taste death before seeing the coming of the lord" In 2nd peter 1:16-21 we are told by peter himself that that is what the transfiguration represented, the coming of the lord. It is striking also that in verses 19-21 Peter talks about the word of the prophets and you will do well to pay attention to it. Here we have Peter telling us we need to search the truth and look to the prophets ... because prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. And Joel also warns us that the latter days would bring prophets and Jesus himself tells us too. But back to Elijah and Moses, the reason they are in Heaven doesn't support the position that when we die, we go to heaven. Because God interceded with both of them and brought them to heaven for his purpose. Elijah was whirled just like you say to heaven in 2nd Kings. He never tasted death, so we can not argue saying that when we die we go to heaven using Elijah because he never died. And Moses, Christ himself came to earth and brought Moses with Him and Satan argued with him yet the Lord would not enter an argument with him merely saying, "the lord rebuke You" in Jude 1:9. But Jesus is not going to do that for me and you. SO those two had a specific purpose. And the lord himself tells what that purpose is when he tells the disciples that some would not die before they see the power of the coming of the lord. The transfiguration was symbolic by using Moses and Elijah. The symbolism was represented by Moses and Elijah. Moses represented those who have died and obey God's commandments. And Elijah represents those who will be alive when he returns and submit to God's commandments and have the faith of Jesus Christ (The spirit of Prophecy) as we are warned in rev. 14:17 So to use them as proof that this means when we die we cant do that because as you can see they had a greater representation for us. As far as the thief, I have no doubt that he will be in heaven. But when Jesus said today you will be with me in paradise. Was Jesus in heaven that day? The next? The third? No ... When Jesus was seen and approached by Mary Magdalene in John 20 he tells her " DO not touch me for I have not yet returned to my father." Taking the term, Today I tell you that you will with me in paradise. You can infer that he is saying "Today" you will be with me in paradise ... or you can take it that he is telling him Today, I am telling you that you will be in paradise. But since I know Christ wasn't in heaven that day, and he tells him, Today you will be with me in paradise ..... why would I believe that that thief would be in [paradise while Jesus was still in the tomb? As well I would have to discount what scripture teaches me about death as well as when we who die in Christ would be resurrected. Thanks for the comments, I pray for you as well. We have Christ who unites us and His spirit is greater than the power that rules this world. I pray with my heart that he leads us to His truth. God be with you my brother. Your brother in Christ, DJ

From: Casey Date: Mar 20, 2006 11:04 PM Catholics are free to read anything. The only exception would be things that are intrinsically evil, and that a mere reading of them would be participation in that evil. The only example I can think of is pornography. So no, there is nothing official saying that we cannot read Ellen White. I am not sure if she means that her local priest said they were not allowed or what. Many Catholics are confused about what the Church actually teaches (often because the take the faith for granted) and make up things on the fly when confronted you see the same thing in mainstream protestant Churches. Your rebuttals are good, you are obviously someone who can reason and use logic, and I like that but I would like to point out some common ground that we have reached at this point: 1. There is at the very least, a possibility that some are in heaven now. 2. God has allowed some people to enter into heaven body and soul (which may come up later) in order to serve His divine plan. Now, If you recall the parable of the rich man and (Luke 16:22) Lazarus, you recall that Lazarus was able to talk to the Rich man from Abrahams bosom, a place where the righteous souls went waiting for the gates of heaven to be opened. Where are these souls now? Are the asleep? Are they still in Abraham's bosom? You and I do agree on another item, we will not experience the fullness of heaven until Jesus comes back, which is when our bodies will be raised from their sleep, however Catholics (and most Christians) believe that our bodies will join our souls in Heaven. Until then like St. Paul "We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord." 2 cor 5:8 Also in response to Jesus words to Mary in the garden that he was speaking of his ascension which would take place later, it would seem that Jesus has been to heaven as we know that he opened the gates to haven- and as many of us believe he allowed in all who were waiting in Abrahams Bosom. I am enjoying this dialogue brother, you are being very charitable. God Bless Casey

From: Romans 12v21 Date: Mar 21, 2006 5:42 PM Casey, I would recommend picking up the book the Great Controversy by Ellen White. It's a book about the struggle between God and Satan to its ultimate and glorious conclusion. Beginning with the destruction of Jerusalem and continuing through the persecutions of Christens in the Roman Empire, the apostasy of the dark ages, the shining light of the reformation, and the world wide religious awakening of the 19th century, this volume traces the conflict into the future to the 2nd coming of Christ. And the glories of the earth made new. As the end draws ever closer, the vital issue of loyalty to God will become decisive. She powerfully points out the principles involved in the impending conflict and how each person can stand firm for God and His truth. I have a new copy here and would joyfully send it to you. It may give you a keen understanding of why it is 7th day Adventist believe what they do. We consider her a prophet and like the bible says, we should welcome prophecies and test them. I live in Orlando Florida so please let me know if I can forward it to you. Even if you do not subscribe to what she says your mission will be about saving souls. What better way to save them if you have a better understanding what it is they believe? I liked your verse regarding Lazarus and Abraham. I will respond to you once I talk to my pastor as I know that there is something symbolic about this but I can not recall it. But certainly reading it does give you the sense that he is in heaven. No doubt about that. I also found some points that I would like to share with you my brother. These 3 verses I think are very powerful in regards to the dead being dead and not in heaven just yet. John 14: 2-3 .. Jesus says, "I go to prepare a place for you," He said. "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself." And Paul tells us, further, that "the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the Archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air; and so shall we ever be with the Lord." And he adds, "Comfort one another with these words." 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 Comfort one another with these words! Now read verses 13 ... "Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope." Ponder that verse for a second ... if he is telling us he does not want us to grieve like the rest of men who have no hope when someone dies, the opposite of that spectrum would be those who believe they go to heaven when they die. Because why would he have to clarify his position in the latter verses explaining to them when we would be resurrected? That's some powerful some, Casey. Now let's see what Peter says in Acts. Peter on the Day of Pentecost declared that the patriarch David "is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us unto this day." "For David is not ascended into the heavens" Acts 2:29, 34 The fact that David remains in the grave until the resurrection proves that the righteous do not go to heaven at death. It is only through the resurrection, and by virtue of the fact that Christ has risen, that David can at last sit at the right hand of God. Paul also says, 1 Corinthians 15:16-18 "if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: and if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished." If for four thousand years the righteous had gone directly to heaven at death, how could Paul have said that if there is no resurrection "they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished"? No resurrection would be necessary. Psalms 6:5 115:17 ... "In death there is no remembrance of thee: In the grave who shall give thee thanks?" "The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence." If we go to heaven when we die, how much of heavens bliss could be enjoyed by those who were hovering over their friends on earth? How could it be a source of happiness to the dead to know the troubles of the living, to witness the sins committed by their own loved ones, and to see them enduring all the sorrows, disappointments, and anguish of life? Heaven is said to be a place where no eye shall see a tear. We won't have a remembrance of the old. We won't hurt. How could we enjoy it then if we were to look down on the living and all the perversion that is taking place? And in closing, if the dead are already enjoying the bliss of heaven or writhing in the flames of hell, what need of a future judgment. The teachings of God's word on these important points are neither obscure nor contradictory; they may be understood by common minds. But what candid mind can see either wisdom or justice in the current theory? Will the righteous, after the investigation of their cases at the judgment, receive the commendation, "Well done, thou good and faithful servant: .... enter thou into the joy of the Lord," when they have been dwelling in His presence, perhaps for long ages? Are the wicked summoned from the place of torment to receive sentence from the judge of all earth: "Depart from Me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire?" The theory of the immortality of the soul was one of those false doctrines that Rome, borrowing from paganism, incorporated into the religion of Christendom. Martin Luther classed it with the "monstrous fables that for part of the Roman dunghill of descretals." E. Petvel, The problem of Immortality, page 255. Before any can enter the mansions of the blessed, their cases must be investigated, and their characters and their deeds must pass in review before God. All are to be judged according to the things written in the books and to be rewarded as their works have been. The judgment does not take place at death. Mark the words of Paul, "He hath appointed a day, in which He will judge the world in righteousness by that Man whom He hath ordained; whereof He hath given assurance unto all men, in that He hath raised Him from the dead." Acts 7:31 Here the apostle plainly stated that a specified time, then future, had been fixed upon judgment of the world. Jude refers to the same period: "The angels which kept not their estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." And, again, he quotes the words of Enoch: "Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all." Jude 6, 14, 15. John declares that he "saw the dead, small and great stand before God, and the books were opened: .... and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books." Revelation 20;12 Good speaking with you Casey. Please give this some thought and pray to our heavenly father that He continues to bless you with His holy spirit and to continue to search the Word. God bless you my brother. DJ


From: Casey Date: Mar 21, 2006 6:34 PM Brother, Perhaps I will ask you to forward me the book over the summer when I have time to read. I would strongly suggest comparing Ms. White's claims to actual history, as again, if you look at it historically her doctrines are invented. In Matthew 16:18-20 Jesus declares that the gates of hell will never prevail against the Church. If you follow the claims of most protestants you will have to say that the gates of hell prevailed against the Church from about the year 100 until 1521. If you follow whites claims you must believe that the gates of hell prevailed against the Church until 1830? I am aware or righteous remnant theories, but the fact is historically they are not there. As one of the most famous converts to Catholicism, John Henry Newman said: "To be well seeped in History is to cease being protestant." In response to the scriptures you shard: I am not contending that the dead are bodily in heaven now. That would be absurd as all I have to do is go and dig up graves to prove that. The soul is in heaven now- the body with Join the soul after the general judgment at the end of time (Matthew 25) when each man will be rendered according to his deeds (Revelation 12). The soul right now are not experiencing the fullness of God's glory. and will not until their bodies are raised- which is what all the verses you cited talk about. Again brother, I would point you to history, no Christians interpreted the scriptures like this in the early Church, I can show you evidence to the contrary if you like. The bible is the inspired word of God but it cannot be understood unless explained as we see in the case of the Ethiopian eunuch in acts 8:31 "And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him." You said you want to ask your pastor questions, that's great, I am sure he is a holy man of God. But with what authority does he interpret the word of God? Because "First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God" (2 Peter 1:20-21). Now, some may claim that every believer is prompted by the Holy Sprit and can interpret the scriptures, if this is the case, why are the thousands, literally thousands of denominations of Christianity who all claim to use the "bible alone" as their authority and interpret it many different ways. Even in your own sect of SDA there is division as I am sure you know. Jesus prayed that we all be one (John 17) How do I know for sure who is right? This is related to the question I asked you earlier. I know and believe that the bible is the inspired Word of God, as I know you do as well. Why do you believe that? I know why I do. Food for thought. In Jesus, Casey

From: Romans 12v21 Date: Mar 21, 2006 7:43 PM I'm logging off but just wanted to start answering you ... it is true, there are thousands of detonations out there. And finding the true church of God can be a challenge, but as 1 John 4 states the one who is in me is greater than the one in this world. We do believe Ellen as a prophet. Revelation 1:1 states that it was given by God to Jesus to reveal to us. In it, it reveals what the characteristics of the "remnant seed" the "offspring of his seed" that Satan goes to make war with. Daniel also is a prophecy book giving markers of what the beast, who speaks against the most high, changes set times and laws etc. Based on the characteristics that revelation gives us, It would obey all of God's commandments, it would have the spirit of prophecy, it would hide in the wilderness for 1260 days. The key to understanding time prophecies lies in the biblical principle that a day in prophetic time is equivalent to a lieral solar year (Numbers 14:34 and Eze. 4:6), it would proclaim the 3 angels message of Rev. 13, it would be a world wide organization. Ellen's writing bring these prophecies to more light, which would be too long to get into here and I wouldn't do it justice. We have tested her prophecies, and scripturally speaking, she does pass the bible test. Does the message agree with the bible? (Isaiah 8:20) Do the predictions come true? Deut 18:21,22 Jer 28:9) Is Christ incarnation recognized? (1 John 4:2,3) Does the prophet bear good fruit or bad fruit? 2 Peter 1:21 Matt 7:16, 18-20 Any person should be subjected to these test if they are claiming to be a prophet. And Ellen never elevated herself above scripture. she was a very humble soldier of god. Her prophecies, when you look at History just as you say do add up. You are probably aware that we hold the roman church the beast of revelation and Daniel. And I'm sure you take no offense as I am not attacking you but merely making a point. I can appreciate your position that you feel the catholic church is infallible and is being guided by the Holy Spirit therefore she can not err. And also the statements which you make regarding Peter. But as human being, looking at some of the atrocities that due to papal orders of holy inquisitions, selling indulgences, changing God's day of worship from Saturday to Sunday I can not look at it in the eye and say this is the Holy Spirit that is guiding this church. There is no scripture to have changed God's law ... Daniel predicts that the beast would change His law and usurp himself like the most high .. he also predicted that this beast that came into power would not be destroyed by human power but by the return of Christ... the rock shall destroy it ... and certainly it is amazing to see the church still very much in power today ... when you see the ellens shedding light on what the 1260 years meant and how it fits like a glove with the church ..... how God's seed did in fact hide in the wilderness and the beast followed it making herself drunk on the blood of the saint. and what does god himself say the saints are? Those who obey his commandments. We are the only church that has all 6 markers that Revelation points to as his remnant church. We have every single marker. We were organized after the 1260 years as the true church's offspring .. we hold all ten commandments ... we have the spirit of prophecy .. we proclaim the 3 angels message, we are a world wide body .... This great struggle between God and Satan even in the heavens has always been about Obedience to God and his never changing law. The garden of Eden is a perfect example. And today, I hold fast that I will worship God and God only, then take my chances and worship God on a day they proclaim to have changed because they assert themselves infallible. I will answer the rest tomorrow. Good night my brother and God be with you. DJ

From: Casey Date: Mar 21, 2006 9:33 PM Again brother, You respond with the word of God as understood by men. Let me give you an example of how this can be done another way: I am familiar with the notion of SDA using roman numerals to point out that the Pope is the anti Christ for example, well let me give you another interpretation of 666: D=500, L=50, U=5, W=U+U=10, and I=1. You will arrive at 666, by summing the letters in the name Ellen Gould White. Do I think she is the anti Christ? No. I am just showing how easy it is to make the bible say what you want it to say--- I have to go study for a very big exam I will deal with your other claims later. As for you claims about the Catholic Church: Selling of indulgences, inquisition etc. were all the actions of men independent from the Church and contrary to her teachings. The testament to God's glory is that for 2000 years the Church remains despite the sinful men who represent it. The pope is infallible when he speaks OFFICALY on matters of faith and morals (this has only happened twice) he is not impeccable, he is a sinner. John Paul II used to confess his sins daily. Men of the Church sin, big time, and you can find that in any sect. But the Truth of God as proclaimed by his Church stands firm as the pillar of truth. as to your sabaterianism, I will respond to that later. Just thought I would give you some more to think about for now. God Bless, Casey
From: Romans 12v21 Date: Mar 22, 2006 8:25 AM quick question as well regarding scripture .. you have used the phrase "being read by men" .... In Malachi 4:5 ... when God tells us that he will send us the prophet Elijah before the coming of the Lord ... what do you make of that? What is your interpretation of that scripture? I never said it before, but good luck with you exams brother. May God be with you and give you joy. DJ

From: Casey Date: Mar 22, 2006 2:19 PM The prophet was John the Baptist. Again brother, I ask you to if you are going to dialogue to find some sources other than the scripture to back up your claims, because you claim that Rome has perverted the scriptures and I claim that the SDA has, If you noticed I have quit going back and forth, mostly because you keep repeating the same scriptures, even after I have already addressed them. Ok I have some time, so here goes: Sabaterianism The SDA sect accuses Catholics of not keeping the Sabbath. If you look closely at Scripture you will see that see (Jn. 9:16, Jn 7:23, Mk. 3:4) Jesus declares to the Pharisees His sovereignty over the Sabbath "For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath" (Mt. 12:1–8). and again, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" (Mk. 2:27) Jesus frequently chastises the Pharisees for the strict interpretation of Sabbath Law Now when you see Jesus referring to the law of the old testament there seems to be an omission from the 10 commandments And Jesus replied, You shall not kill, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not bear false witness, honor your father and mother, and you shall love your neighbor as yourself" (Mt. 19:18–19) and "It is written: 'The Lord your God shall you worship, and him alone shall you serve'" (Mt. 4:10). Finally, "But I say to you, do not swear at all; not by heaven, for it is God's throne" (Mt. 5:34) What commandment is missing? The Sabbath. (Lk. 13:10–16, 14:1–5; Jn. 5:9–18, 7:22) This suggests that he was not pleased with the way the Sabbath was observed. Jesus did not abolish the old laws he fulfilled them, on the night before he died he instituted the new and everlasting covenant, and in this covenant it he seems to favor Sundays. He rose form the dead on Sunday, he appeared to his disciples the following two Sundays (Jn. 20:19, 20:26) and the Holy Spirit descended upon the disciples on a Sunday. Now in the very early Church when most of the converts were Jews, I have no doubt that the kept the Sabbath especially those who were "zealous for the law" (Acts 21:20) How ever the question of gentiles obeying Jewish law was handled at the first council of Jerusalem in which circumcision and dietary laws were abolished (Acts 15:10–21). Circumcision was the sign of the old covenant, and that was abolished, I imagine that was controversial. Now take a look at Let us begin with Colossians 2:17–19: "Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—things which are a mere shadow of what is to come, but the substance belongs to Christ." Here Paul shows that the Sabbath was only here as a prefigurement to Christ. Now, look at Rom. 14:5–6 , "For one person considers one day more important than another, while another person considers all days alike. Let everyone be fully persuaded in his own mind. Whoever observes the day observes it to the Lord" Here Paul is speaking about the day which is being observed to the Lord, i.e., the day of worship. He notes that this is up to each person to decide. Now again there is plenty of evidence to show that the post new testament Church also worshiped on Sunday, and you have no writings to prove to the contrary. Also here is some information for you, historicize In 1582, Pope Gregory XIII ordered that the calendar be adjusted as there were some errors found in the Julian Calendar, and he omitted 10 days in order to correct the problem. So, by worshiping on Saturday, you are being subservient to the bishop of Rome whom you believe to be the Antichrist, because he actually changed the day of the week, so if you are so careful to follow God's law and not man's, as you claim, SDA's would not meat on Saturday, but on Tuesday, as Saturday is not really the seventh day anymore, as 10 days were omitted from time. More food for thought. In Christ, Casey
From: Romans 12v21 Date: Mar 22, 2006 3:09 PM In Malachi, it is not referring to John the Baptist. I know why you think it is he. When Peter and John were asking when they were on the mount and Jesus tells them that Elijah had already come and they knew it was john the Baptist. Malachi, is referring to the Day of the Lord when he returns. It is regarding the 2nd advent of Christ. It is not however, John the Baptist. In Malachi, the Lord also, again, warns us, Remember the Law of my servant Moses. Hebrews 4:9-11 There remains then a Sabbath, rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His. Let us, therefore make every effort to enter that rest so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience. When Jesus rebuked the Pharisees, he had come to show us how to honor the Sabbath. It is true they have put so many restriction on the Sabbath that it had been perverted making God look like a tyrant. Jesus came to set that straight and show us what we can and can not do. When Jesus talks about the end of time he says, "Pray that your flight not take place on a Sabbath" Still existing even till the end. I can appreciate what Sunday represented but even Jesus rested on the Sabbath, and he fulfilled the ceremony of First Fruits regarding the Passover. On the day after the Sabbath, for over 1000 years they would offer the ceremonial first fruits to God for the harvest. Christ fulfilled this ceremony by raised the Holy People when he died and when he resurrected taking them with him to heaven as the first fruits. I can appreciate your regard for your faith. And understand why it is why you believe. Jesus tells us if any man knocks I will answer. I have knocked and he has entered. I understand why you feel that Sabbath has changed and I feel there is too much evidence to support the opposite view. And I don't based my belief on SDA History. To do so, you would risk your salivation. We are supposed to test the prophets, and EGW adds up. Some of the prophecies she has left us have already come to fruition. Our health has been rated by National Geog studies as the best in the world. We're a humble people who serve the lord. True SDA abstain from alcohol, tithe and walk the example that Jesus has left us. I feel his presence and I feel his spirit. Your brother in Christ, DJ

From: Casey Date: Mar 22, 2006 5:59 PM Again, you interpret the scriptures to suit SDA's own purposes, with what authority do you claim that John was not Elijah? As I have shown you the bible says that a prophesy of scripture is not a matter of ones own interpretation. And I have posed to you the question several times, why do you believe the bible is the inspired word of God? You cannot use the bible to prove its own validity. 1 timothy says that all scripture was inspired, does that mean that all writing is inspired? How do you know the books in the bible are the word of God? Brother, I do not think, I know that the Catholic Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. Jesus said his Church is one (Rom. 12:5, 1 Cor. 10:17, 12:13) , he identifies her as his bride, of which there is only one (Eph. 5:23–32). The Church is Holy (Eph. 5:25–27, Rev. 19:7–8) as she has the fullness of the teachings of Jesus Christ which have been constant for the 2000 years of her existence, as opposed to inventing new doctrine 1800 years after Christ. Even though the Church is full of sinners (Eph. 5:25–27, Rev. 19:7–8) and not all of the member will go to heaven (Matt. 7:21–23) much like Judas, it is still the Church that Jesus founded, and entrusted to guard the sacraments (cf. Eph. 5:26). Jesus Church is called Catholic, which means universal The Church (Matt. 28:19–20, Rev. 5:9–10 because she reaches to the farthest ends of the world. For 2,000 years the Catholic Church has carried out this mission, preaching the good news that Christ died for all men and that he wants all of us to be members of his universal family (Gal. 3:28). The Church Jesus established was known by its most common title, "the Catholic Church," at least as early as the year 107, when Ignatius of Antioch used that title to describe the one Church Jesus founded. The title apparently was old in Ignatius's time, which means it probably went all the way back to the time of the apostles it is beautiful that this title, or mark of the Church may have its origins in Antioch which is the same place where the followers of Jesus were first called Christians. The Church of Jesus Christ is founded on the apostles The Church Is Apostolic (Eph. 2:19–20, Revelation 12:14). There is only one Church that is One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic. There is only one that has existed since the time of Jesus, look it up in a real historical source you will see it to be true. My Authority comes from the Church that Jesus founded. Where does yours come from?

From: Romans 12v21 Date: Mar 22, 2006 7:03 PM I will write back regarding the word of God in more detail, but quickly, I do believe it was the God breathed word of God. I also do believe in what 2 Timothy 3:16 says that it is good for rebuking, reproofing, instruction. I believe in the word of God because like I said it is inspired and breathed of God. Revelation talks about the two witnesses, lamp stands ... which are the old testament and new testament. God's book is our map and guide to salvation. Yes the church plays a central role in it, but Christ is my rock .. my foundation. Like I said earlier, I believe in his promises ... If you knock .. I will answer and come to you. I'll also respond to you about the Elijah Message. The reason I say it is not John the Baptist because Malachi is referring to the Lord coming back, the end times. John the Baptist was to usher in the messiah. "The Voice of the wilderness" .... I do believe that JTB was Elijah of HIS time, because Jesus clearly tells us that ... but ANOTHER Elijah will come again to herald in the coming of Christ in the Lords day. My authority is the Word of God and His Holy Spirit which leads us in his truth. God Bless you my brother. DJ
From: Casey Date: Mar 22, 2006 10:19 PM Again I reiterate that I am a child of God the Father, redeemed by the blood of the Son and empowered by the Spirit as a member of the Body of Christ. Again, your history is wrong, Christians worshiped on Sunday as early as the 1rst century, three hundred years before the canon of scripture was completed. We have writings that say they met on the eighth day, Sunday. This term was used to express the eschatological reality of Sunday worship. The founders of this country came to escape the persecutions of the church of England, and incidentally persecuted Catholics so harshly that we needed our own state (Maryland). The question I have asked over and over is this: We both believe that the scripture is the inspired Word of God, my question is why? You have been ardently avoiding this question. To believe that the Church fell in to apostasy for centuries is to call Jesus a liar, he promised the gates of hell would never prevail against his Church, not that the truth would be lost for centuries. You claim to speak with the authority of the Spirit, so do the Mormons, so do other protestant sects, even those others that subscribe to sabaterianism, and each group supports their claim with scripture.


From: Romans 12v21 Date: Mar 23, 2006 7:27 AM I'm not denying that Christens gathered on a Sunday, scripture tells us that. I'm sure after Christ died they probably even gathered every Sunday to remember the resurrection ... but does that mean then we are allowed to change the Sabbath? Repetition breeds tradition. Add in the fact, world History may I add, of how Rome treated the Jews and early Christens, and the hate they harbored towards them ... would Sabbath worshipers, a marker they both shared, be something that would make them easy targets for persecution? Of Course it would. And that's not SDA History .. that's just common sense. Look at the world today Casey ... you still see persecution and even people getting killed to worship. Now am I to believe that in the dark ages and under more barbaric law people would not have seen greater horrors than you and I can fathom? That's not SDA history Casey, that's World History? Are you studying to become a priest? Is all your material that you study coming from Catholic based material? Are you then saying any history book, USA or abroad are not real because they are not Catholic driven? There are countless of books out there about the persecutions, Rome against the Jews and early Christens ... is all the fabricated? Is that what you're saying? Regardless if they met on a Sunday ... it does not justify Rome changing and sanctioning the change from Saturday to Sunday. How many times is the 1st day (Sunday) referenced in the Bible? Now how many times is the Sabbath? Scripture is clear, we are not allowed to Change God's laws ... it last forever and ever. Its also clear that doctrine that is against Scripture or contradicts it is not of God. You keep asking me the same question regarding the Bible ... I already told you that Scripture itself tells me that God inspired the Bible. The Holy Spirit was given to men from God to write His word. The Word did become Flesh through Jesus, but Jesus never contradicted the word ...he came to fulfill it. Hebrews 1:1 .. God gave his message to the prophets, the holy ones, men who are of God. Those men left us the Bible and His holy Scriptures. Psalm 119:105 The Bible is our light post our guide. 2 Timothy 3:16 ... All Scripture is God Breathed. Romans 15:4 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the scriptures we might have hope. And Isaiah 40:8 ... "The word of God stands forever" I know you grab Revelation 6:9 and it says regarding the souls of those who had been killed because of the word of God. Casey, to use your argument, you are reading it like men do. I will show you who those souls are. They are not people who die and their soul is in heaven like John Paul etc. I'll send you the information you need to uncover the truth yourself ... and the power that gives me the authority to interpret that is not a church, is not a human being it is the Holy Spirit which God promised us. DO you really think that if an earnest man is asking God to give him understanding to understand the Bible he is going to keep it away from him? SDA are not perfect, we're sinners just like anyone out there. But we pray to the Father in the name of the son to get his Holy Spirit to understand His word. And we have His promise that he will do that for us. How can I go against God and say that is not how it works? You keep saying that the Church is the only group to interpret it, specifically, the Pope from the Chair. I say I don't buy that. Because that Goes against what God left me and what Jesus told me. There has been a lot evilness perpetuated by popes, priests bishops etc ... just like there has in many churches I am sure, so I am supposed to trust men over God to interpret the word of God for me? Because they claim they are infallible? I say No. I will show you who those people are Casey and you will see that they are not Saint, souls of people who die and go to Heaven but they are a specific group of people, who the bible says are in heaven. So if that is true and we have prove that those souls belong to men who have been ransomed by God and there is no further proof that Saints souls go to heaven after they die ... will you still keep praying to Mary, the Pope, dead relatives to intercede on behalf of you? Because if you do you would then be consciously disobeying what God has left us. Take Care Casey and God Bless. DJ From: Casey Date: Mar 23, 2006 8:22 AM Yes, I am studding to be a priest, and yes I do read history other than Catholic sources, we are not afraid. PAGAN ROME persecuted the Church, they killed Peter and Paul and countless other Christians I have stood in the Catacombs where Christians were buried, and driven to hide in persecution. I have prayed at the tombs of Peter, Paul and Timothy I am aware of the martyrs. The notion that they were persecuted for Sabbath worship is absurd. There is no mention of the Sabbath in the early Church none, Jesus himself doesn't mention it. I know your going to quote about abolishing the laws then. Why do you believe that Jesus fulfilled every law but the Sabbath. I know many SDA's follow the dietary laws, but the sect doesn't require it. I don't think you require circumcision, or any of the old ceremonies. You don't keep the Sabbath the way the Jews did, you keep coming back to this. What is everybody else that you are e-mailing responding to your arguments with? Are you only answering 1/3 or their questions as well? And you still have yet to tell me why you believe in the Authority of the bible, you use the bible to answer that question, isn't that circular, redundant? I think you must know where the bible came from and be avoiding the argument, perhaps some of the other Catholics you are targeting answered this question already. You obviously do not wish to discuss, as you do not listen and keep repeating the same things over and over. God Bless, Casey

----------------- Original Message ----------------- From: Romans 12v21 Date: Mar 23, 2006 10:27 AM Are you hinting that the Catholic Church was in possession and distributor of the bible? That's fine ... I have absolutely no argument with that. I have also heard that Rome didn't release all the books and also released the books that they wanted. But I have no argument with that because I know God is greater than anything in this world. Let me ask you, why didn't the Church release the bible for many, many years? Is it because men were unlearned back then and the church didn't want them to read it the wrong way and get confused? You keep claiming that we read the bible like men do ... What authority to we have to be able to read it the way God wants us to ... the authority we have is God's promise to us. Let me ask you ... you already said that the Bible is the written word of God ... and yes the Catholics did give it to us but don't you think that God is greater than any force on this earth? DO you believe something could keep the Word of God from men? He left it for us ... ALL of US! Like the wise man in Acts said ... ''For if their purpose or activity is of human origin it will fail. But if it is from God you will not be able to stop these men.; you will only find yourselves fighting against God." Translation for the argument ... men could not hide God's word from us, because it was from God. Just another example of what the Roman Church has done over the years. So even though you were in possession of it, doesn't mean that you can translate it. Only God can do that for us ... we are tasked to study his word everyday and grow in it and to petition the Holy Spirit for guidance. We do that. You said yesterday that Paul in Romans was telling is that "we should each worship whatever day we want" but he was not saying that. SO how and why did you translate it like that? Is it because the Pope has translated that from "the chair" being guided from the Spirit so it has to be right? It isn't ... read that chapter in context. I understand that there are thousands of denominations out there, but name me another one out there that worships on the Sabbath and keeps all of God's commandments ... has the spirit of Prophecy (EGW) preaches the 3 angels message of revelation ... is world wide etc. We have every single marker of God's true church. Like I said yesterday what EGW has prophesied protestants and Catholics will unite ... because all of you mostly believe in the Sunday and spiritualism (the dead going to heaven at death (souls)) And that's just not true, Casey. And I never said that they were persecuted because they worshiped on the Sabbath ... I am saying that they were persecuted because they were christens. But at the same time, Rome also persecuted the Jews ,, there was a commonality of the Sabbath. In time, when the church adopted many pagan rituals and moved to Sunday this law was dropped and Sunday was put in place. I wish you good luck with your studies ... we have different beliefs ... you have your version ... I have mine. We believe in the same God, Son and Holy Spirit ... I know we will be praying for each other and all we can do is let God do His part. I have faith that he will. God Bless You my brother. DJ
From: Casey Date: Mar 23, 2006 12:25 PM the bible wasn't just distributed by the Catholic Church, it was codified by it. After the death of the apostles there were all sorts of manuscripts floating around including some bad ones that taught untrue doctrine (like that Jesus wasn't divine. The canon was codified at a council in 326 by St. Athanasius. In the medieval ages it is true that the bible was not in possession of the common people. Most of them could not read, and in Churches they were often chained to the pulpit because there were very expensive, it would often take years for a scribe to make one bible. The bibles that were burned in the medieval era were corrupt translations, much like the Jehovah's Witness bible of today. In 1452, the first book to be printed on a press and mass produced was the bible. In 1521 when Martin Luther broke away from the Church- he removed several books from the bible (specifically, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Sirach, Wisdom, Baruch, Tobit, and Judith, and parts of two others, Daniel and Esther). He used as his justification a Jewish council that met in 100AD to codify the Jewish canon, the people that rejected the deuterocanicals (what you call the appocratha also rejected the entire new testament, likewise, the council that approved the canon in 326 also approved the entire New testament, to reject one over the other makes no sense unless you side with those who rejected Christ and lack the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Luther had some legitimate beef with some corrupt practices at the time done in the name of the Church, but he took it too far by removing books from the bible, and creating doctrine such as scripture alone and faith alone that were foreign to Christianity until that time. The Church attempted to correct him, and even received some correction from him on matters like the selling of indulgences; however Luther refused to listen to the Church. Which calls to mind the words of Jesus: "If your brother sins against you go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." (Matthew 18:15-20) Jesus gave his Church authority; it is clear in HIS Word the, Bible. I KNOW the bible to be the inspired Word of God because the Church declared that it was. I alone do not have the authority to interpret scripture for the whole Christian Community I can read them and see what they say to me personally, but for the whole Church, that is fir the successors of the apostles to decide. We have unbroken apostolic succession, you do not. The One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Jesus Christ is the one who declared the Scriptures to be God's word- the whole Church not one woman- this is the same Church who preserved and passed on the Word of God and still preaches it in its fullness today.
From: Romans 12v21 Date: Mar 23, 2006 1:04 PM You make a good point and I cant really answer you because I don't have the complete history of the Bible and some of the things you are mentioning. So I will make it a point to learn more about it and see what I learn. I appreciate you sharing this with me. You did bring up Matthew where Jesus does recommend to go tell your brother etc. But he says if he refuses let him be ... the church did not let people be back then. Some were burned at the stake, flogged, tortured and killed. That's not SDA history, that's world history. And again, scripture does not support the changing of God's laws ... what does support it is this notion that since the pope is the direct descendent "chain of command" from the apostles than he can not err in interpretation etc. And I just don't buy that based on the way the Church has conducted itself and reading scripture as well. We're all sinners. John Paul as you mentioned, my pastor, the apostles all of us. Paul in Romans says it ... "None is righteous" .... What I have learned thus far about Catholicism is that it sounds spiritualalistic in the sense that when the pope sits in the "chair" he can not err. And I undertsand that all Faith is Spiritualistic , but to me that is pushing it. To put the crown one mans head and say he only is the interpreter ... it doesn't add up with scripture. I believe I told you this earlier but we believe we will be saved by faith not by works. When we have faith in our Savior Jesus Christ, we Love God with all of our heart and follow his path ... the Works? They are innately tied with loving God. And you mentioned earlier about keeping the Sabbaths, rituals, Jewish customs etc ... as I mentioned yesterday with the scripture you came up with in Colossians which was out of context again ... those old sacrificial system ... rituals etc. Christ completed that on the cross, but the Law of God is still in place. We have salvation from Christ, not by the sacfircial system any longer. And yes devout SDA follow the dietary laws as given by EGW ... I myself am trying to be a vegetarian as much as possible, but I don't eat pork and I do try and only eat the clean food's that the law outlines. There is a STRONG correlation between the way she has outlined what we should eat and people being in great health compared to people who eat what they want. That's proven by case studies, medical studies etc. I respect your faith Casey. You believe strongly what you believe in. I have respect for that and I honor you for that. I believe that if we love Christ with all our hearts and are doing his work he will put the necessary things in our life to follow his truth. I will pray for you as a brother that you are to me in the name of Christ. God Bless. DJ


Lord be on my lips and in my heart that I may proclaim your Truth with accuracy, integrity but above all charity. I ask this though your Son Jesus Christ, Our Lord who lives and reigns with you and the Holy Sprit, one God unto the ages of ages. Amen The scriptures say that a man who doesn't listen to the Church is to treat them as you would a tax collector or Pharisee. I do not agree with the acts of the Church that you mentioned and yes that is authentic, though exaggerated, history. States and all institutions of the time inflicted terrible punishments on people, and then the line between Church and state weren't so clear. Bishops were often appointed by kings and such. Thank God those days were over. What is beautiful is that even throughout all of that mess, the Church never changed any doctrine or dogmas, even though some men tried to make them because powerful men like Arius or Pelagius or Nestorius subscribed to particular heresies and had kings backing them. Men quivered and broke and did the will of the evil one, but try as he might the enemy could not destroy the Church, or prevent her from proclaiming the truth even when her members failed to preach and live that truth. Now, let me share with you some historical back ground on the role of Peter that was given to him by Jesus. I will share with you an excerpt from a paper I wrote for a history class, which consulted catholic, secular and protestant historians, if you need a bibliography please ask: "These words of Jesus Christ to Simon at Caesarea Philippi are the main scriptural foundation for the Catholic understanding of the Primacy of Peter and his successors. What is often negated when looking at these scriptures is the historical context of the office that Jesus charged unto Peter. To understand Peter's office, one must first understand the role of the Prime Minister in the ancient Davidic Kingdom. This requires a look at Isaiah 22:20-22: "In that day I will call my servant Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, and I will clothe him with your robe, and will bind your girdle on him, and will commit your authority to his hand; and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah. And I will place on his shoulder the key of the house of David; he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open" This passage, as well as a few others in the Old Testament (2 Kings 15:5; Gneiss 41:39), gives us a look at the role of the Prime Minister, or vizier in ancient Semitic governments. In particular, this passage in Isaiah illustrates keys to be a symbol of this office, and even equates the office with "opening and closing" or "binding and loosing" in the name of the King. In the Davidic Kingdom, the king did not rule alone. "Several ministers ruled under him for various capacities and the chief among these was the vizier . . .or Prime Minister. [Contemporary historians use the term "Albahite"] We see this notion of keys as authority recorded in the book of Isaiah, which was most likely recorded no later than 800BC, with the Davidic kingdom being established in the eleventh century before Christ; it can be assumed that the Hebraic notion of Prime Ministers, having had the keys passed to them as a symbol of authority, had occurred successively for at least 300 years by the time it was referenced in Isaiah. This role of the Prime Minister, as in relation to Peter and the Church, can be understood when we look at the Gospel of John: "When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, 'Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?' He said to him, 'Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.' He said to him, 'Feed my lambs.' A second time he said to him, 'Simon, son of John, do you love me?' He said to him, "Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.' He said to him, 'Tend my sheep.' He said to him the third time, 'Simon, son of John, do you love me?' Peter was grieved because he said to him the third time, 'Do you love me?' And he said to him, 'Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you.' Jesus said to him, 'Feed my sheep.'" The clarification exemplified in this passage is thus: Jesus entrusts his flock to Peter. He charges the apostle, Peter with the care and feeding of his flock. The flock belongs to Christ, but it has been entrusted to Peter. Much the same way the kingdom was ruled by David, but the governing of certain matters were entrusted to Eliakim and other Prime Ministers. There remains more historical evidence for the Primacy of Peter in the New Testament. Peter is mentioned far more than any other Apostle. When the Apostles are listed, he is always named first. However, as the aim of this work is historical and not exegetical in nature, we will move on to look briefly at the life of Peter and his role in the early Church. Most of what we see of Peter's life is recorded in the Acts of the Apostles. From the beginning, one can see the primary role of Peter in the Apostolic Church. Peter is the one who preaches on the day of Pentecost. "In the Pentecost speech after the Holy Ghost had come down, Peter spoke in the name of the Church . . . he made, at that historic moment, the first public confession if the work of Christ, as foretold by the Scriptures; and he proclaimed His passion, Resurrection and Ascension into Glory." This is not a surprising event as Peter was the first to proclaim to the Lord: "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Here, as with the speech at Pentecost, Peter is declaring an eternal truth on behalf of the entire Church. This does not end the actions of Peter in the Acts of the Apostles. Peter presided over the election of Matthias to replace the Apostle Judas. The first recorded miracle of the Apostles is attributed to Peter and he was the one who explained to the Sanhedrin that the cripple was cured in the name of Jesus of Nazareth. Though there was much dispute between Peter and Paul over the admission of Gentiles into the Church, it was through the vision that was given to Peter that lead him to make the proclamation: "Brethren, you know that in the early days God made choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe." Time and time again, in the Acts of the Apostles the Primacy of Peter among the other apostles in demonstrated. After a time of preaching in Asia Minor, Peter traveled to Rome. There is a reference to his residency in Rome at the end of his first Epistle: "She who is at Babylon, who is likewise chosen, sends you greetings." Babylon was commonly a way the early Church referred to Rome. Peter was crucified in Rome under Caesar Nero. Peter's residence and martyrdom in Rome has been a matter of some historical dispute, however it can now be said "these two facts are no longer seriously questioned by historians of the early Church." There is no doubt that toward the end of his life Peter led the Church from Rome, the center of the world in these early centuries." So you are right D.J. the successor of Peter is not just an interpreter he is Jesus' Vicar, his Prime minister, his albahite who in the absence of the king runs the kingdom until the king returns, as was done in David kingdom, as is done in its fulfillment, the Church. I have enjoyed this dialogue, and with your permission I will post it in a blog with minor editing (Spelling and such) I won't change your arguments or misrepresent you in any way. Thank you and God Bless, Casey
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Tuesday, March 07, 2006
Stop your bablling! Current mood: touched Category: Religion and Philosophy

In today's Gospel, Jesus tells us "In praying, do not babble like the pagans, who think that they will be heard because of their many words.Do not be like them. Your Father knows what you need before you ask him." (Matthew 6:7)
I went to a parish mission today and heard some beautiful insights I would like to share, as well as a few of my own on this passage.
Firstly,
The apologist in me must address the fact that this verse and its parallels in other gospels is often used to attack Catholic devotions such as the rosary, novenas and even the mass. To address that here are some considerations:
The focus of this passage is not a condemnation of repeating words. Such a thing would be contradictory of Jesus who, as a good Jew, would have prayed litanies and psalms. For example look at psalm 118 and see how many times it says "His Steadfast love endures forever!" Now, it is true that we cannot add to God's glory, but to speak of his love shows how much we love him. The question I would ask is can you ever, ever tell the ones that you love that you love them, to often? No. For this same reason you will often hear at Pentecostal/Evangelical Churches phrases like "I love you Jesus!", "Praise the Lord!" "Glory!" and "Hallelujah!" [this isn't liturgy so I can say it, even if it is lent] These phrases and exclamations are often repeated over and over. They are expressing their love for the lord in repetition.
So what was Jesus speaking of about by vain repetition? The pagan sects in Semitic communities would often pray to pagan gods as a way of controlling them. If you knew a god's name, you could call on him or her and the deity would be forced to do your will. This is the act that Jesus is condemning, using words to manipulate the will of God to fit our own will. And every last one of us is guilty of it. How many times do we pray to God as a means of getting what we want, for our own purpose. "Lord, you said you would give me anything I ask in your name! You owe me! Are you a liar?" Catholics often do this with novenas and other prayers and devotions, which are intended to draw us into relationship with a loving father rather than be used as some sort of magical formula to bend the will of God. A humorous, but relevant story:
A young boy named Dominic (or Tony, or any other good Italian name) really wanted a new bike so he began to pray: "Dear God, I've been very good..." He realized that he would be caught in this lie, so he starts again "Dear Lord, I have been good most of the time.." Then he realized that this was unimpressive. Suddenly, inspiration struck him! He went into his mother's room and took the statue of the Madonna, wrapped it in a bed sheet, put duct tape around the sheet and put the statue in the closet. He then began to pray "Lord, if you ever want to see your mother again..."
A cute joke, but it says something very real about how we often relate to God. As if He is here to serve us. Look at how Jesus prays in the gospels. All he is concerned about is the Father's will. If he makes a request, he always qualifies it with "Thy will be done." If you are trying to leap across a 500 foot deep chasm and you miss the other side by a quarter of an inch or a mile, it makes no difference by how much you missed the edge. You will still fall the same. This is also true when we try to substitute our will with God's. No matter how Holy we are, no matter how Pious, how wise, how humble, we fall short. God's will is perfect, his plans are for our happiness, for a future full of hope (Jer 29:11) Like Jesus we must crucify our will, and surrender to that of the Father. The center of our prayer is love. We must tell God how much we love Him and allow Him to love us in return. Relationship. This is what the new covenant is all about! God wishes to dwell with us! That's why he gave us the Church, that's why he gave us the Sacraments, especially the Eucharist, to be with us both now, and he uses these things as instruments of his grace that we will be with Him forever in heaven.
Who made me? God made me. Why did God make me? God made me to know Him, to love Him and to serve Him in this life and to be forever happy with Him in heaven.
He is crazy about us. This is real love. Not the love that gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling but a love that moves you and compels you to change. One that stirs about conversion. A love that compels you to imitate it, to emulate it and to become consumed and inebriated by it. A love that does not hold back, does not give up, and cannot be substituted no matter how hard we try. Even when we try to manipulate this love to our own selfish desires, He still loves us.
And now for some eschatology. At the end of time, when e stand before God, those hearts who desire to love God above all things will be consumed by his everlasting love. For those of us who desire to let God love is, but are still attached to the things of this world, it may be painful, for a time to be purged of our worldly desires by Gods love, but we will persevere if we accept his love, his grace won for us by Jesus Christ. But there are some who will reject Gods love, will run and flee from it, because they do not want to change. These prefer their own will to that of the God who loves us so intimately and completely. They will flee to the place that has been prepared for the devil and his angels. (Matthew 25:41) Those who seek and follow the will of the Father, will inherit life ever lasting. For Eye has not seen, ear has not hear, nor has the mind and heart of men conceived what our gracious Father has for those who would receive His divine love. (1 Corinthians 2:29) So let us always put aside our own will, and seek that which belongs to Our heavenly Father, and pray that He will give us the grace to do so.
"This is how you are to pray:Our Father who art in heaven,hallowed be thy name,thy Kingdom come,thy will be done,on earth as it is in heaven.Give us this day our daily bread;and forgive us our trespasses,as we forgive those who trespass against us;and lead us not into temptation,but deliver us from evil."
Mark 6:9-15
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Friday, February 24, 2006
Finding one's self Current mood: grateful Category: Life
It seems to me, at the ripe age of 26, that most people by the time the enter adolescence have truly come to understand life as a journey of self-discovery. Finding and knowing yourself is the key to self-fulfillment. Having the answerers to life's tough questions given to you, such as divine revelation, is a good thing. But to the individual, it is all meaningless until one can discover this truth on his own and take the required leap of faith. In this leap, one finds himself and finds all the answers he has been looking for all along, not unlike the naive little girl who, having landed far from home, and after traveling a perilous journey and risking her life, finds that she has had the answer to her problems all along. Truth, answers, life, this is all given to us, we must simply search within ourselves and discover who we are.
I am blest at this point in my life to know who I am, the answer is so simple, yet at times becomes so complicated. I am a child of God. I received this gift of God's grace at my baptism, yet it took me so long to find it. I had heard about Christ my entire life, read the bible and listened attentively to the Church. But, it was not until I came to a personal understanding of who Jesus is to me, that I truly found the truth that had been with me all along. Searching deep within I found the grace that had come to me from above, that allowed me to be called a child of God, and receive the love and redemption won for me by so great a savior.
Was this truth dependant on me? No. Nonetheless, it would seem to me that the God and Father of all creation allowed me to find Him, even after he had already allowed his saving grace to permeate my heart and soul. This self discovery is a great and marvelous gift! One that I see so many good souls striving to find. The longing that God has placed on the heart of every man and woman to seek and know him is pure gift, the adventure is in the pursuit and discovery of this very grace. When I look in myself I still find one who is in need of a Savior, and I surrender my life to the One who gave his for me, that I may gain mine back again, not by my own merits but by his. An on this path, as I listen to his calling for me in my life, I realize that the pain and the suffering that come in following the call strengthens me, unites me with Him in a unique way, to better suit me to bring his message into the world.
Conversion is a perplexing thing, yet it is as simple as a child running to the arms of his Father. Wonder and Awe, a true gift of the Spirit that enables one to look back and just wonder at God's amazing grace. That grace that works in, out, around and through me.
"You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide; so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you."
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Tuesday, February 21, 2006
Vocation Current mood: complacent Category: Life
As I apply to Major Seminary, a part of the process provides me with another oppritunity to answer the question "why do I want to be a priest?" I decided to share the answer:

Why Do I Want to be a priest?

When I was a young lad attending parochial school at St. Francis Xavier in Ft. Myers, people would often pose to me the infamous question that every youngster is asked, "What do you want to be when you grow up?" My answer would often times be "an astronaut or a priest". However, with the collapse of the space program in the late eighties and the realizations of the mathematical aptitude required for one who wishes for to pursue a career in the failed of space aeronautics, the first answer to this question became less likely. Soon to follow the second option would be forgotten in the name of more exciting things like being a police officer or a fireman.
It was when I was thirteen that I recall God truly stirring with in my heart a desire to serve him as a priest. I was attending a retreat in preparation for a pilgrimage to see Pope John Paul the Great in Denver the following summer. During our celebration of the Eucharist, the homilist spoke intimately of the passion of Christ and the love Jesus has for us. I remember being filled with the love of Christ and hearing in the depths of my soul the words of Jesus, "Come, Follow me." This began the development of a love affair with Jesus Christ and His Catholic Church.
Since that time, I have grown in my love for Jesus and the Church on many different levels. I have acquired a vast knowledge of Church teaching and practice, and enjoy reading works of theology and catecheses. However my love for Christ is much deeper than that. In my call to follow Jesus, I have developed a desire to pattern myself after Christ in the most intimate way. I desire to be the Alter Christus, to bring Christ in an intimate way to the people of God though the priestly ministry of teaching in word and dead the Good News of Salvation to people of God that they may experience the love of Christ in their life as I have in mine. I desire to share in the ministry of governance with a shepherd's heart to gently and loving guide the People of God in right paths for the glorification of his Holy Name. I also earnestly long to share in Christ's ministry of sanctification in world that needs Jesus in a most dire way. The People of God need to be nourished by the Body and Blood of Christ, to be forgiven by the God of Mercy, and to be encouraged in holy vocations that render God's Kingdom here on earth. I sincerely wish to devote my entire life to Christ's ministry of teaching, governing and sanctifying the people of God.
I desire to intimately, give my entire being to the People of God, as Christ did for his Church. I wish to lay down my life freely to be at the disposal and the service of the Body of Christ. For the sake of God's kingdom, I freely offer my entire self as a sacrifice for the sanctification of God's holy people.
God has placed this call, this love on my heart and I desire with all I am to seek and pursue his will in my life, which I have come to believe is to serve him as a priest. Nevertheless, while I feel called to build God's kingdom, I know that I am not necessary. God has no need for me to bring about the reign of his kingdom, however, I feel that he is calling me out of love. "Remember, you did not choose me, I have chosen you." And this, is why I have confidence that I can be a priest, the true sacramentality of the priesthood is demonstrated beautifully here. For like any other sacrament, the Holy Spirit imparts upon the simplest elements the privilege of being instruments of grace in the world. I feel that our gracious and loving God is calling me to be bread for this starving world, water to cleanse and oil to strengthen and heal. It is in this call that the Eucharistic Lord speaks to me most. If Jesus Christ, can at the hands of a priest transform the elements of bread and wine into his very presence, then I am convinced that he can take me and, with all my imperfections and fault at the hands of those he has entrusted with my formation, transform me into his own image, that I may be prepared to be in a sharer in his ministry and a sign of God's Kingdom in this world.

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Monday, February 20, 2006
Country Roads, take me home to the place I belong... Current mood: anxious Category: Life
For those of you who do not already know: I have recently met with the Vicar General of the Diocese of Helena and announced my decision to not continue with formation for the Diocese of Helena, MT. I am currently in application for seminary under the sponsorship of the Diocese of Venice In Florida. This decision has been arrived at with much prayer and discernment. Parties both here and in Florida have been more than supportive with their prayers, best wishes, guidance and direction. I love the people of the diocese of Helena, but feel called to serve the people of Florida whom I have grown up with. Further, it seems that this Florida boy simply is not made to weather this great state of Montana. Please pray for me and all involved in my process of discernment. God Bless and love you all!!!
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Sunday, February 19, 2006
A Prayer from the heart Current mood: content Category: Life
Lord My God,What I have to offer isn't much. Some brains, a talent here and there and a desire to serve you. Lord, my heart is what i offer most of all, may it be that of a servant.What i bring to you isn't much, but it is my best. May I be rendered suitable for your service. All I have I give.Father, perfecr my inperfections, strengthen my weaknesses, humble my pride, complete my imcompleteness and mend my brokeness.Use me Lord, in the best way you can to advance your kingdom, to uplift the broken and to free the enslaved.Lord, take my gifts which you have given to me and accept them upon your altar of sacrifice. May they please and serve you. This is my one desire, my King- to serve you my God with all I am.Lord, let not the love you have for this your child not be in vain, may I carry it to others, that they be deawn to you. That I decrease and you increase.Let me be light, let me show your love. Use me.Lord, may you accept this sacrifice at your hands, for the praise and glory of your name, for my good and the good of all your Church.In the name and power of your Son, Jesus Christ, who lives and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit, One God, unto the ages of ages.Amen.Ladatur Jesus Christi in aeternum!
Currently listening : Songs By Rich Mullins Release date: By 30 July, 1996
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Sunday, February 12, 2006
De Aeterni Current mood: thirsty Category: Religion and Philosophy
Sero te amavi, pulchritudo tam antiqua et tam nova, sero te amavi! et ecce intus eras et ego foris, et ibi te quaerebam, et in ista formosa, quae fecisti, deformis inruebam. mecum eras, et tecum non eram. ea me tenebant longe a te, quae si in te non essent, non essent. vocasti et clamasti et rupisti surditatem meam: coruscasti, splenduisti et fugasti caecitatem meam: fragrasti, et duxi spiritum, et anhelo tibi, gustavi et esurio et sitio, tetigisti me, et exarsi in pacem tuam.
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Thursday, February 09, 2006
Being formed Current mood: restless Category: Life
Priestly Formation is not an easy process, it requires an attentiveness to God's will, a sense of trust in providence, sincere commitment, a grounding in the supernatural virtues (Faith, Hope and Charity) and a openness to the gifts that the Holy Spirit has to offer.
"Jesus asks for childlike abandonment to the providence of our heavenly Father who takes care of his children's smallest needs: "Therefore do not be anxious, saying, What shall we eat?' or What shall we drink?' . . . . Your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things shall be yours as well." (CCC 305)
The wisdom of the Church shines through here. I am remind of a talk we used to give on NET, whose main points were: God Knows Me, God loves me, and God has plans for me. These are so simple, yet they truly take a life time to grasp. In these points I hear well the words of the Father to his prophet Jeremiah: "For I know the plans I have for you, says the LORD, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope." (Jer 29:11) These are easy to here but they are not nearly as easy to live. Trust in God is difficult.
Like Peter, I can hear the voice of Jesus calling me to step out on the water, but I am hesitant, and when I finally listen to him and begin to walk on water, I become distracted by the waves and begin to sink, and scream in desperation "De profundis clamavi ad te Domine!" ( Out of the depths I cry to thee, O LORD!) (Psalms 130:1) and the Lord hears me and gently takes my hand and pulls me from the crashing waves, saying: "O man of little faith, why did you doubt?" (Matthew 14:32)
I can easily recognize in retrospect that I have failed to "Keep my eyes fixed on Jesus" , as Sr. Mary Finn would remind me to because "He has his heart fixed on you!" This is not my vocation, my life is not my own, I have been purchased, and at what a price! (1 cor 6:20) The blood of the one who took on my sin must not be shed in vain! I must persevere, embrace my cross, locking arms with the one that was bruised, beaten, broken and pierced for my sake. God is earnestly calling me to build is kingdom, to be the "Alter Christus" (other Christ) to bring a ministry of reconciliation to a world that needs to hear boldly proclaimed the news of salvation that will bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound (Isaiah 61:6)
This is not a child's game, this is for men, and when I became a man, I gave up childish ways. (1 Corinthians 4:17) I must be strong, Dear God, grant me your Holy Spirit that I may have the gift of fortitude! For by myself I am weak and frail "I can do all things in him who strengthens me." (Phil 4:13) This just requires that I "press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus." (Phil 3:14)
Spirit of the Living God, Fall afresh on me!
Spirit of the Living God, Fall afresh on me!
Melt, me, mold me, Fill me, use me!
Spirit of the Living God, Fall afresh on me!
"Let my heard be restless Lord, untill it rests in Thee!" St. Augustine
Consumed by His Precious Blood,
Casey F. Jones
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Sunday, February 05, 2006
I can appologize and never say "I'm Sorry" Current mood: creative Category: Religion and Philosophy
The following is a compilation of responses that have been sent to those who are misinformed about the teaching and practices of the Catholic Church. It is written in the style of the Angelic Doctor, St. Thomas Aquinas so I entitle it Summa Apologiae (A summary of defense). Response and discussion is welcome: Objection 1: Exodus 20:4-5 states:“You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me” It would seem that the Catholics have set up Mary and the saints as idols, equating them to God, thus violating the very first commandment of God. The scriptures are clear that we can pray straight to God and thus do not need to pray to dead people. Further, Catholics have statues in their Churches, graven images forbidden by God himself.I respond:Firstly, one must understand clearly that the central prayer of Catholics is the Mass, a prayer to the Father (directly) in the name and power of Jesus Christ his only son. It is the source and summit of our faith and it is a direct prayer to God. So we do pray directly to God and more often than not Catholics pray directly to Him. We don't pray to Mary and saints the way we pray to God as far as Worship rather we pray to the saints as Webster's says: "to make a request in a humble manner" for their intercession, by pray we simply mean to ask. As Christians we ask fellow Christians for prayer or intercession, much the way Mary interceded for the wedding guests at Cana in John 2:3. Catholics do not pray to dead people note Mark 12:16-27: "And as for the dead being raised, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the bush, how God said to him, "I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob"? He is not God of the dead, but of the living . . .’" We know that the saints are alive for John tells us in Revelation that "And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints" (Rev. 5:8). We read that the incense offered on the altar is actually the "prayers of the saints". Here is a perfect example of the Saints in heaven offering prayers for the saints on earth. We humbly ask the saints to pray for us because; "The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects." (James 5:16) Who are more righteous than those who have gone before us and, as the cited verse in revelation points out, offer prayers on our behalf to God? The next time someone asks you to pray for them, would you say "No don't ask me to pray for you, you can go straight to God, for me to pray for you would be placing me on the same level as God, and a violation of the first commandment." Of course not, that's just silly. When we ask the saints to pray for us it’s the same thing, except they are with God in heaven, because as we have already seen, He is not a God of the dead but of the living.When one examines the use of graven images, we must look at the Word in context. Five chapters later, God instructs Israel to make two cherubim of gold. Graven images. Further you may recall that in numbers 21:9 Moses constructs a serpent out of bronze, which is used as an instrument of Gods healing. Catholics do not worship statues; the Church condemns such a practice outright. Rather, statues are Holy reminders of Jesus and his suffering, or of men and women who gave their lives to Jesus. St. Paul tells us “If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together.” So we honor members of the body and look to their example. Similar to the way statues of Abraham Lincoln and Thomas Jefferson remind us of the great leaders they were to our nation, and inspire us to lives of excellence. If this can be done in the secular world why not in the Church where a great cloud of witnesses surrounds us. (Hebrews 12:1)Objection 2: In the seventh chapter of Mark’s gospel and the fifteenth of Matthew’s, Jesus condemns the tradition of Men. Catholics regard Tradition as Holy, are they not making the same mistake that Jesus chastised the Pharisees for? Jesus did not condemn all tradition, he condemned corrupt tradition. He often instructed his apostle to follow authentic tradition, he instructs his disciples: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat; so practice and observe whatever they tell you" Matthew 22:3. St. Paul, in the Bible also speaks several times about apostolic tradition:"I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you" (1 Cor. 11:2) "Follow the pattern of the sound words which you have heard from me, in the faith and love which are in Christ Jesus; guard the truth that has been entrusted to you by the Holy Spirit who dwells within us" (2 Tim. 1:13-14)"So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter." (2 Thess. 2:15),"You, then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus, and what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also" (2 Tim. 2:1-2). I would call special attention to Matthew 16:18 where Jesus says: "And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven’" (Matt. 16:18-19).Here Jesus establishes a Church and builds it on Peter, and promises that the gates of hell will not over come HIS Church. Further in Johns Gospel, Jesus has a dialogue with Peter. "When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, ‘Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?’ He said to him, ‘Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.’ He said to him, ‘Feed my lambs.’ A second time he said to him, ‘Simon, son of John, do you love me?’ He said to him, ‘Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.’ He said to him, ‘Tend my sheep.’ He said to him the third time, ‘Simon, son of John, do you love me?’ Peter was grieved because he said to him the third time, ‘Do you love me?’ And he said to him, ‘Lord, you know that I love you.’ Jesus said to him, ‘Feed my sheep’" Here Jesus sates that this is HIS flock but is asking Peter to watch over it for Him, to guard it from wolves, the same flock, the Church, Jesus still entrust to Peters Successor, Benedict XVI who sits on the chair of Peter, not unlike the Pharisees sat on the “seat of mosses” In Mathew 16, Jesus promised that he would always protect his Church, this is why Paul Calls it the "Pillar and Foundation of Truth" in 1 Tim 3:15. Jesus promised that he would always give the truth to his Church. One may be confused as to which Church, there was only one Church for 1500 years, even though it divided into the Catholic and Orthodox in the year 1054, it wasn't until a man named Martin Luther came along in 1521, that protestants came along. Luther had some legitimate beef with some corrupt practices at the time, but he took it too far and even removed books from the bible (specifically, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Sirach, Wisdom, Baruch, Tobit, and Judith, and parts of two others, Daniel and Esther) Luther also raised other theological points such as salvation from faith alone, and others. The Church attempted to correct him, and even received some correction from him on matters like the selling of indulgences, however Luther refused to listen to the Church. Which calls to mind the words of Jesus: "If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." (Matthew 18:15-20) Jesus gave his Church authority; it is clear in HIS Word the, Bible. Objection 3: Only God can forgive sins, so confessing to a priest is unnecessary. I answer: See John 20:23 where Jesus says to the Apostles "If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained." Here Jesus, very clearly gives men the authority to forgive sins in his name how can they forgive men’s sins if they do not know what they are? He says this to his apostles who then hand that authority on to their successors; our present day bishops and priests Please see James 5:15 which says: Summon the elders (in Greek presbyters, in English priests) to lay hands on the sick and their sins will be forgiven. Incidentally this verse proceeds James 5:16 which speaks of confessing our sins to one another. So the scripture actually tells us to confess our sins to someone else besides just God.Paul speaks very clearly on this ministry of forgives, of reconciliation in his second letter to the Corinthians:"All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We beseech you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. (2 Cor 5:18-20) Paul makes it clear that Jesus reconciled the world to himself and, that he (Paul) is an ambassador to that reconciliation and participates in the ministry of Jesus, and there is no exclusion as to sins that were only committed by Paul. Logic would dictate that for apostles to forgive sins they would have to know what they are, hence the necessity for confession. Objection 4: In Matthew23: 9 Jesus declares: "And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven." Catholics violate a command given by Jesus, by call their priests “father”. I answer: This can appear confusing, however one must consider: whenever you look at the Word of God, you must look at all of it and see its context. Jesus goes on to tell you not to call anyone "teacher” do we take these word literally, no. If we did, what would you call your mothers husband? You also would not be able to use the word Doctor, because that is Latin for teacher. So lets look at the word Father in the New Testament. For times in the gospels, Jesus calls Abraham, a man "Father Abraham" (Luke 16:24, 30; John 8:53. 56) Is Jesus contradicting himself? Jesus being God cannot deceive nor, be deceived. There is more in this in the Word of God. In Acts 7:2, you see Stephen calling the San Hedrian "fathers" why did the other apostles not scold him and tell him he was wrong. Bust most off al look and what God tells us through St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 4:14-15:"I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel." Here Paul is saying since, he lead the faithful to new life in Jesus Christ, as an Apostle, he is a spiritual Father, which is why we still call priests father today, its in the Word of God. Jesus is telling us in Matthews’s gospel to never put anyone on the same plane as God, as that would be a grave sin.Objection 5: The baptism of infants makes no sense, as a baby cannot make a decision to accept Christ:I answer: Please see Col 2:11-12 St. Paul here compares baptism to circumcision of the Old Covenant. Let us examine closely the circimcison of the old covenant. Gen 17:12-14 "He that is eight days old among you shall be circumcised; every male throughout your generations, whether born in your house, or bought with your money from any foreigner who is not of your offspring, both he that is born in your house and he that is bought with your money, shall be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant. Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.” Here under the old law children, at eight days were held liable for the old covenant based on their circumcision, if baptism is its fulfillment, why would it be different. That is the Word tells us we must believe it. This is comparable to what Jesus says about baptism in John 3:5 (almost 3:16) where he says if you are not born again of water and the spirit you cannot enter the kingdom of God. (The following actions of Jesus and his apostles who were baptizing in John 3:22 should dismiss any interpretations of John 3:5 to mean something other than baptism) Another interesting point in Acts 16:33 we see an entire family being baptized. There is no exception made here to infants in these families.(Of course as the Catholic Church teachs that a child who dies without baptism through no fault of his own is entrusted to the loving care of a merciful father.) The Church teaches as Jesus taught in letting the children come to him, and not hindering them; for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven. Mt 19:14Final Considerations for our well intentioned, though misguided, separated brethren who attempt to refute Church teaching using the bible. and those Catholics who have encontered themChristians, who are not in full communion with the Catholic Church, typically have something very right; Jesus Christ is THE WAY, THE TRUTH, and THE LIFE. And no one is saved but though him, but we must also remember the words of Jesus: "Not everyone who says to me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven’" (Matt. 7:21). And further he says: "‘why do you call me "Lord, Lord," and not do what I tell you?’" (Luke 6:46)Confessing Jesus on your mouth is not enough, we must do what he says. In particular, I would draw attention John 6:53-56 "So Jesus said to them, ‘Truly truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed” Jesus makes it clear that you must eat his Flesh and drink his blood otherwise, you are spiritually DEAD, This is what Jesus commanded, and was handed on by the apostles, as St. Paul tells us:"For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, ‘This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.’ In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, ‘this cup is the new covenant of my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.’ For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes. Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord" (1 Cor. 11:23-27).The only place where you can find Jesus truly present, Body and Blood is in the Eucharist is in the Catholic Church. Very few others even claim that their communion is actually the Body and Blood of Christ, they claim it is a symbol, a remembrance meal, they ignore the words of Jesus much like these followers that are talked about in John 6:"For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me. This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will lives for ever." This he said in the synagogue, as he taught at Caper'na-um. Many of his disciples, when they heard it, said, "This is a hard saying; that can listen to it?" But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples murmured at it, said to them, "Do you take offense at this? Then what if you were to see the Son of man ascending where he was before? It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you that do not believe." For Jesus knew from the first who those were that did not believe, and who it was that would betray him. And he said, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father." After this many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with Him." John 6:55-66 Don’t be the disciple that turns away because you don't understand a teaching of Jesus, but rather respond as the Apostle Peter who says, ""Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life"(John 6:68) And also bear in mind that Peter tells us in God's Word: ""First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God" (2 Peter 1:20-21). We are warned about taking Gods word out of context and making it says what we want it to. Please receive this Truth in Jesus Christ. Consumed by His Precious Blood, Casey F. Jones A personal quote from yours truley: Truth is not subject to the majority vote. Objective truth must be the first tenant of any Faith. One must believe that what he believes is true in order to believe it, so the question is: Who determines truth? Society? Me? Or is at an unchanging, eternal, omnipotent God. God is Truth, and Christ is the incarnation of that Truth (John 14:6), and it is undisputed historical fact (one that is evident in history, not merely "proven" by proof texting with scripture) that the Church that came to be known as Catholic no later than the year 90 AD (over 200 years before the canon scripture was completed) is the Church that Christ founded, and promised to protect from error (Matthew 16:18-20) Thus, the substantial, full, eternal and incomparable truth, can only be found fully in the One, Holy, and Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ, protected and preserved under the Divine creation of God the Father, though the redemption won for us by Jesus Christ and under the guidance and direction of the Holy Spirit. Can you handle the Truth?
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Saturday, January 28, 2006
Stuff Current mood: stressed
Discernment, is not easy, but it is a blessing. As I approach the end of my senior year of college (Deo Gratias) There is much to discern. Am I called to be a priest? (not that I am having any doubts, but its a constant question I have to ask) If so where? Montana? Florida? There as all options that seem to be on the table at this time. So, I rely on God's grace and trust the Holy Spirit that he has given to guide me on this path.
In addition to discernment of course, there are still the things that I must do to graduate, like passing Latin (for those who know my love for this wretched tounge) and other courses as well. I am certain that if I stay the course, God will see me through, however I wish to be more diligent in the strive for excellence. To Be Holy, to be light and salt and to serve others, or as the Prophet Micah puts it: To do Justice, love kindness and walk humbly with my God. (6:8) So dear friends I ask you prayers and thoughts as I continue on this path. I am thankful for the call that has been put on my heart and for the struggle which makes it authentic. Blessings to you all!
Currently listening : Hanging by a Moment By Lifehouse Release date: By 27 November, 2001
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Tuesday, November 22, 2005
... Current mood: aggravated Category: Life
My life is not my own...I say it over and over and over again but right now it is not giving me much solace. Can people quit judgeing me for just one moment and simply love me for who I am? It seems imposoble. To the faithless I am a fanatic to the scrupulous and ultra pious I am a heathan. Remember...you are a son of God, no person can take that away. While others cannot take my dignity...they do injure my pride...I suppose this is Gods will, Let my pride fall down, may I increase and fade away to make room for Christ. Fiat volentas tua.
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Thursday, November 17, 2005
Note to self Current mood: complacent
On a retreat I was on recently, I wrote a letter to myself, which I feel compelled to share:
Remember Child of God, Both who you are and who you are called to be. Apart form Grace, you are nothing, but you have been changed. The Eucharistic Lord calls you to grow in Him. Be content with who you are, but strive for perfection. At the same time, you must not despair when you fall short. All are deprived. You have been transformed, renewed, redeemed. Receive and be at peace.
Grace is alive. It compels you to grow and be attuned to its prompting. God can use you. You bear more dignity than bread, you are more pure than water, and have been consecrated to a higher level than any oil. If God can use these lowly, earthy elements to dispense grace, then he is capable of using you. You are called to be bread for this starving world, water to cleanse and oil to strengthen and heal.
People love you, that are praying for you. Be loved. Be good. Be God's He who has begun a good work in you will bring it to fulfillment. You can endure all things thorough Him who gives you strength. All things work out for the good to those who love the Lord. Love Him. Trust Him.
Currently listening : Drift Away and Other Classics By Dobie Gray Release date: By 19 October, 2004
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Friday, November 04, 2005
Amazing Grace...not just a song Current mood: loved Category: Life
The more I sit back and observe the more I am truly amazed by God's grace. I used to think that grace was something you said before meals, but I have come to realize more. Grace is God's active presence in my life. I am nothing apart from Him. Apart from Him I am weak, I am feeble. Apart from Grace, I am a whiney, cynical, pessimistic, overweight, nobody. But through God's grace I have come to understand that I have been called, I have been chosen I have been transformed. I am precious in the eyes of God, who is my Father, by his choice. The Holy Trinity has been infused upon my soul that I may be called a Son of God. Because of grace I have blessed hope of eternal live.

Without grace, there is no way in hell (or anywhere else) that I would be where I am. I sometimes am overcome by my own unworthiness, what good am I? What gifts do I bring to the Church? How can I be called to be a priest? Then I realize that God does not call the equipped, he equips the called, I have been called not by virtue of anything I have done, but by virtue of His grace. What He gives me belongs to Him and is rightly used to advance His kingdom. The more lowly I am, the more of a testament it is to grace. May I decrease so that He may increase! I am not my own I have been purchased. Conversely I give myself freely. I want to belong to Him, I want to be used, I want to advance Gods kingdom, I want peace, I want Justice, I want to uplift the poor an the broken, I want the good news of salvation proclaimed. I am hopelessly, madly, deeply in love with Jesus Christ and His Church, without whom I am nothing, but with whom I have become everything. Jesus Christ has made us holy, God be came man thus lifting us up- transforming our race by his grace. I stand in awe. Please dear friends, pray for me that I may receive the grace necessary to endure all things through Him who gives me strength.

Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam!

Consumed by His infinite grace,

Casey
Currently listening : Spirit in the Sky: Best of Norman Greenbaum By Norman Greenbaum Release date: By 10 April, 2001
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Monday, October 31, 2005
For all the Saints Current mood: thankful

Today is the feast of all Saints. This wonderous day is a day of rejoicing for all good Christians, as it serves as a reminder of the great communion we belong to as members of the Mystical Body of Christ, united throughout time and space and beyond. The Body of Christ consists of the Church Militant (on earth), the Church Suffering (souls in purgatory) and the Church triumphant (in heaven). The latter in particular is whom this wondrous day is dedicated to.
What is it that we learn from the saints? Its very simple. We learn to be holy. What is Holiness? Doing the will of God. Its really that simple. If we are doing the will of God, then we are made holy, because God made us capable of participating in His divine plan. He can use us in order to bring about His kingdom on earth.
We complicate holiness, we make it sound like its only for people like mother Teresa or John Paul the Great, when we are all called to be Holy- not just priest and religious, not just missionaries, not just maters. Blessed Theresa of Calcutta tells us "Holiness is not the luxury of a few. It is everyone's duty, yours and mine." Holiness is not always extravagant and romantic to quote the late great singer/song writer Rich Mullens: "A spiritual thing is folding your clothes at the end of the day. A spiritual thing is making your bed. A spiritual thing is taking cookies to your neighbor that is shut in or raking their front lawn because they are too old to do it. That is spirituality...When I come into church I am no longer Rich Mullins, a music education student. I am no longer Rich Mullins a guy who grew up in Indiana. I am no longer Rich Mullins a guy who has a record contract. All of a sudden I am a member of the kingdom of God."
Holiness is seeking and doing God's will. That is the work of Jesus Christ- "Not my will but yours be done." Love of God, which compels us to love one another is what draws us into the Mystical Body of Christ, which is God's Kingdom. We lose ourselves and put on Christ when we seek God's will.
With holiness comes humility. The best definition of humility is knowing who you are and knowing who God is, and not confusing the two. Know that any good about you, any righteousness, any holiness, all knowledge, all good works, all feats of excellence that are made manifest by you come from God alone, the source, the fountain of all holiness. And do not use the past as an excuse. Some of the greatest saints were the greatest sinners. Murderers, Idolaters, prostitutes, rapists, liars, thieves all join the ranks of the Church triumphant, the difference between them and those who live in eternal separation from God is easy- the saints are the sinners who fall, and get up. Why do the best sinners make the best saints? Also easy- because they realize that they are nothing apart from God, and cling tight to Him so that they may be sanctified. They made it, they have fulfilled there desitiny and now they do what they have desired more than anything- They stand before the most High and Worship him for all eternity. May we join their ranks one day.
Omnes Sancti et Sanctæ Dei, Orate Pro Nobis!
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Saturday, October 29, 2005
Never Forget.... Current mood: calm
Children of God, never forget the dignity and worth you have as a human being created in the image and likeness of the Most High. Never forget that God sees the heart and that He is most pleased with the very best you can offer, even though it can never add antything to who He is. Never forget that He formed you, he knows you and He has a plan for you. Never forget that the discomfort you bear here is merely because this is not your home, your home is with Him. Invest in the Eternal rather thn the temporal. You are a beloved Child in whom the Father is well pleased. Love...Love..Love Ubi Caritas et Amor Deus Ibi Est.
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Thursday, October 27, 2005
Lord I Hope This Day is Good Current mood: melancholy
Lord, I hope this day is goodI'm feelin' empty and misunderstoodI should be thankful Lord, I know I should But Lord, I hope this day is good
These words may have been written by Don Williams, but they describe with precision my thoughts at the moment. I miss the days when I was judged strictly on my merits, when I was my own person with my own identity, and I especially miss the times when I had friends who loved me no matter what. Here is something I wrote a couple of weeks ago in a bulletin, but I have seen that they often to not get read, so here you go, this is to all my friends outside Montana, you know who you are:
I love and miss you all very much. This week I have been reminiscing about birthday parties, mailboxes, rabbits, horseshoe crabs, frozen sneakers, tugboats, pearls of wisdom, late night walks, long phone conversations, Jerry's, Perkins, Police Stations, peach baskets, radio stations, beaches, velvet, shakers, elevators, tiki gods, pool halls, fishing, Denny's, Baskin Robins, retreats, and anything else that reminds me of the good old days. I love and miss you all very much. I am so thankful that God put into my life friends whom have shown me so much love. I thank God for the beauty that each one of you has brought to my life and often long for the times that I so often took for granted. I am lousy at calling and writing but please, please know how much I love and miss you all and what a great sacrifice it is for me to not be a big part of your lives. It just seems like it is God's will at this point...Growing up is so hard sometimes... I know I am rambling but my old friends are in my thoughts and prayers tonight. I hope that when I am down at Christmas I can see all of you. Please pass this message to anyone whom you know that I know that isn't on myspace. I miss my friends who support and love me. If it was not for each and every one of you, I would not be where I am. You have all played an irreplaceable part of my vocation by your patience, your prayers, and the love you have shown me, which is far more than I deserve. Know that I am happy where I am, I am just missing you all tonight. You are some of the few who really know who I am, you know my passions and my struggles, and you were able to see past my weaknesses. I love and miss you all very much. We are one in Christ and we are together whenever we celebrate the Eucharist. My he draw us close even when we are far apart. In Christ, Casey
My thoughts and prayers go to all of my friends, but especially to the few who are very special and dear to me, you know who you are.
I am learning now the meaning of sacrifice. My life is not my own. I say this everyday, and everyday it becomes more and more true. I must loose my identity and put on Christ, conform myself more and more to His will for me, and understand the intimate union he is calling me to if I am to be His priest. I so dearly and earnestly pray that this will be His will, that He will give me the graces necessary to serve Him this way.
I lay all my cares and struggles at the foot of the Cross, and pray the Lord will take them, all I wish is to offer my very best. I know the Lord looks kindly on us when we offer our best, as he does for us time and time again at the Mass, taking our meager offerings and making them Holy. I pray that he will make me Holy, the difference is that unlike bread and wine, I have a choice. My surrender is required. I give it freely. To whom else can I go? He alone possesses the words of life eternal. He alone has plans for my well being and for a future filled with Hope. He is all I need. May I love like Christ.

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Sunday, October 02, 2005
Eucharist Current mood: contemplative
The beginning of the month of October marks the Year of the Eucharist, declared by John Paul the Great, as drawing to a close. In honor of this event the Holy Father, Benedict XVI. Has called for a Synod on the Eucharist.
It is a beautiful occasion for select bishops from around the world to reflect on the Eucharist, this great mystery which the Church describes as her very source and summit; her foundation and formation. This is indeed true as everything we are flows forth from the altar. If Christ is able to send the Holy Spirit to transform bread and wine into his very presence, how much more is he able to change our hearts and draw us more into his image. Christ is at work in this sacrament of conversion which draws us closer to love. As is written: "You give yourself to us oh Lord, then selfless let us be to serve each other in your name in Truth and Charity."
The Eucharist draws us to love with the mind and heard of Jesus Christ, yet as Christ prophesied, He is a sword, which can cause division. We see this in the very celebration that makes truly present His passion death and a resurrection. This is also the sign of contradiction, as it is this sacrament that we as a Church are most divided over, yet it is this sacrament that unites the Church throughout the world, indeed unites the Church throughout time and space, and beyond. We have people among us on different sides who contend over how we are to participate in and celebrate this great gift that Jesus left to his Church.
There is no doubt that some of these points of division will be addressed at a Synod presided over by the successor of Peter who loves the Eucharist as Benedict XVI does. This is the hope and prayer of many who time, after time have suffered from the effects of deviant liturgy being celebrated that have lead to grave misunderstandings concerning this great sacrament, or abuses that have diminished the dignity and reverence that is owed to Our Blessed Lord in this Sacrament.
While we are confident that these items will be addressed, it is important to call to mind that documents, even papal decrees are not magical. While they support teaching they do not solve problems overnight, in all cases. What we need to remember is, no matter how it is celebrated, no matter how terrible a person the priest, no matter how irreverent, or super-pious the congregation, no matter how many abuses are present, if the required form and matter is supplied, then there is the Eucharist, there Truly present is Jesus Christ in this sacrament of conversion. Thought the history of the Church this has been the one constant, no matter how it was celebrated, the Eucharist was there. Christ never, never left us. "I am with you always until the end of time."
So, as this great year of the Eucharist draws to a close let us reflect on this great Sacrament of conversion that allows the one whom cannot be contained in all the world to come to dwell in us. Let us be mindful that this IS Jesus Christ, no matter the circumstances, and that it is he that calls us to love and serve in perfect Charity.
O Sacrament most Holy! O Sacrament Divine! All praise and all thanksgiving, be every moment thine!
Currently reading : Truth And Tolerance: Christian Belief And World Religions By Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger Release date: By 31 October, 2004
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Thursday, September 29, 2005
College Fashons Current mood: bitchy
Can someone please, please, please explain to me why it is suddenliy *in style* for guys to wear pink, long sleeved shirts with collars "popped", cuffs unbuttoned and a mis-matched t-shirs underneath and then top it off with a green John Dear trucker had on sideways? I am slowly learning that you do not need greeks on campus to have frat boys. De profundis vocamus,"Slave nos Domine ex more collegi discipilorum!" (Out of the depths we cry save us Lord from the fashin of college students. )
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Wednesday, September 28, 2005
The Pope and Hans Kung Current mood: crazy
This week, the surpreme pontif of the Catholic Church sat to dinner with discenting "Catholic" theologian Hans Kung. Who is known for denying the phyisical resurection of Jesus Chirst, Ecclesiastic Infalibility and other core dogmatic teachings of the catholic Church. Only a man such as the former Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger could have the charity to as pope, invite the same man whom he surpressed when he was the prefect for the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith (Grand Inquisiter). The story's all report that the had a nice meal. Thouh a list of entree's was not available, I would suspect that crow was on the menu. Kung, a former college of Ratzinger quoted durring the conclave as finding the notion of Ratzinger beocmeing pope as laughable and highly unlikly. Well it is amazing how the Holy Spirit works, isnt it?
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Monday, September 26, 2005
LATIN Current mood: distressed
Well this is my first blog. Now I am realy dipressed, bceasue I have done 2 "tredny" things today. First, I created this myspace account, and secondly, I am "blogging" guess I am getting soft in my old age. Anyway on to the topic of this blag whcih is this "I HATE LATIN" this week I am being introduced and tested on the subjunctive, and if it was not official before it is now I HATE LATIN. So hmmm I geuss that it...............
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